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ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 18:33:28
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I was banned earlier from your 24/7 crackhouse server by admin: A blind little girl. It started by me stating a fact that this player used a particular weapon often and he took it as me complaining which i believe i wasnt. He continued to engage and bicker at me calling me a dumb twit and annoying little kid for simply speaking my mind whenever i was engaged by one of his comments. I found the entire thing to be unproffesional and was trying to let him know that he was being so. He eventually, i guess, got tired of debating and then proceeded to threaten me and eventually banned me when nothing was ever said in an offensive manner. Not once did i show disrespect or curse at him, i even told him to mute me several times if i was bothering him, once again nothing malicious was said. THis i did not believe to be a valid reason for a permanent ban. I love this server and play and have played it everyday for almost three months now and would like to continue to do so. Please let me know how this can be resolved. Im not one to complain usually however i feel he took his admin power a little too far and let his personal emotions interfere wtih is proffesional ones.Thank you_Zeeha
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 18:36:20
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I feel like i have never seen him on recently and maybe he has been away from the server for a while and felt the need to reestablish his authority?? Not sure but still i feel it was uncalled for
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 18:59:56
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Zeeha thank you for coming to the forums to address the problem, and for being concise and to the point in your appeal. You were banned for one day for "ignoring admins" by a forum member/admin. The forum member/admin in question is indeed a server regular but our rules and how we enforce them have no exceptions and we expect good reason for such action to be taken.

We will allow them to share their side of the story and provide any evidence proving or disclaiming either one. Until then, please be patient as we address the problem, and either way you will be automatically unbanned tomorrow afternoon if a prior resolution has not been reached in this thread.

A reminder to admins and guests, please do not post unless you are directly involved or can offer details to support either side.

Regards,

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Last Edited: Sep 4, 2011, 19:01:17
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 19:13:25
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To begin things, I was playing on the server, awping along with nobody complaining. Sometime in the middle of that, you decide to start attempting to knife players. After failing to knife me for I don't know how many times and getting killed, you call me a noob for using the awp all of the time and imply that "i'm mad" with one of your comments. I ignore you until you proceed to become annoying with the whining about me, telling me I must be new to this server, and not knifing with you and instead killing you, so I typed in admin chat to watch your mouth. At some point, you claimed that I threatened to ban you, which I did not, but I sarcastically commented that "I could ban you with I want." I never did threaten to ban you - you were the one making false assumptions with my "watch your mouth" statement. You continued to argue with me by insisting that I was being an uncooperative jerk for not knifing with you, to which I replied that if you wanted to knife, go to a knife server. Yet you continued to argue with me about "claiming not to whine about awps and getting shot" when you clearly were whining for 20 minutes while at least 3 other players were of the same opinion that you were being a stubborn idiot. Eventually, I gave up trying to argue with your apparent lack of logic, and yet you continued to try to make a point where there was none to make, prolonging the argument and annoying everyone, especially me since it was directed towards me, on the server. So I banned you for a day because you were clearly being argumentative and annoying over a situation that you precipitated.
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 20:04:55
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Thank you both for your responses. Once again the point i was trying to prove is that i dont believe it to be very professional for an admin to engage in such a long argument. Criticizing someones game is natural as this game can take its tole on a persons nerves. Never once was i innaporpriate or offensive with my argument. If i had been then i see it ok to ban me however you banned me because you failed to mute me like you could have and instead allowed me to "make myself look like an idiot" and eventually allowed me to get on your nerves and banned me simply because you were annoyed. What is the point of the mute button then? Not once did i break server rules i simply was expressing my feelings towards your comment about watching my mouth as if you were implying a ban which im sure you were. I apologize if i offended you in any way but next time i would suggest the mute button if i am annoying you because i feel there are two parties involved in every debate and i should not be the only one held accountable. You were equally at fault as you continued to drag on and on with the debate until you simply like i said got annoyed and decided to abuse your powers and as admin and instead of just ignoring me or muting me you banned me for no apparent or let alone valid reason. Once again i feel that you let your personal emotions cloud your judgment as admin and chose to ban me on personal reasons instead of a legit reason like violating one of your server rules. Thanks again, both parties, for you time and i look forward to playing on your server in the future!!! (once again sorry if i offended you in any way jason) _Zeeha
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 20:09:26
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It seems like the fact that i ignored admin when he told me to shut up basically is the reason i got banned. But if this is to prove true then that would mean that thiis admin has the power to ban whoever he wants simply because he doesnt like what they have to say even if it is a completely appropriate thing to say. This i believe is an abuse of power, banning someone should be selective and with good judgment. People make observational comments all the time about my game and i dont take it personally because it is a GAME. Thank you again for allowing me to say what i had to say. That is all i wanted to do in the first place prior to getting banned.
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 20:14:41
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And in terms of other players agreeing with you: three players as you said took your side and i believe all those people to be your friend so therefore they have a biased opinion. However i do recall a player agreeing with me in the sense that you threatening to ban me based on a comment i made that wasnt innapropriate was a abuse of admin power, unfortunately i dont recall this players name.
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 20:38:53
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I believe a conclusion can reached from what you have both explained. From the sounds of it, you were both involved an an incident that maybe got a little excessive. Zeeha being antagonizing towards iChibi, and iChibi not doing enough to prevent it. I am going to have Zeeha unbanned as I see his time out has been sufficient enough. However I want to leave you both with a few pointers so this doesnt happen again.

Zeeha, I have played with you before and I am familiar with your enthusiasm towards knifing. I also know how frustrating it can be playing against iChibi when he AWPs , and I can also understand how it might upset you in that situation specifically. I also realize that jabs here and there are a part of crackhouse, but when it gets to the point where it is detrimental to the server gameplay, the admin will have every right to do what he/she needs to do to cease it. It is also your responsibilty to be mature and compliant, and as long as you do so, you will rarely have a problem with an admin.

iChibi, while you may have been justified in warning and taking action against Zeeha, the way you went about doing it can be improved. Remember you are in control of what happens and there is usually no reason to have a back and forth argument with a player. Remember to utilize mute, kick and then ban as your solution. 99% of the time muting/silencing is enough to solve a problem. Also, if it gets to the point where a ban is felt imminent or necessary, record a demo so you have firm standing ground for your actions. There is only so much that can be done in a "he said, they said" argument.

Thank you again to both of you for respectively explaining your sides and I hope this helps avoid any future confrontations. Unless either of you have any questions or objections, this thread will be closed.

Regards,

shift
Last Edited: Sep 5, 2011, 10:20:24
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 4, 2011, 21:53:23
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As a side note, it's generally a good idea to listen to an admin regardless so long as he isn't being unreasonable in his demands. Admins have a hard enough time getting the real troublemakers to shut up and play the game, they don't need additional problems that they'll have to deal with. If you think the admin is being ridiculous, just play the game normally and make a comment of it on the forums when you get off, we'll be able to work things out better here.
Re: ADMIN ABUSE
Posted: Sep 5, 2011, 00:04:57
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Awesome, i think that is a fair and accurate assessment. Thank you again for taking the time to respond and help resolve this situation. -Zeeha
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