Quest for the Lost Ark

[Atrus]

Just FYI for anyone interested. The History Channel will air a documentary Sunday 03/02 @ 8pm est on the search for the Ark of the Covenant.

I haven't seen this so I can't comment, but it may be worth taking a look at.

~A

[watson]

I think it is in Axum Ethiopia at the saint mary of zion church. It sounds interesting though. I will have to find that documentary. Do you know the exact title of it?

[watson]

I finally saw this. It seems weakly supported. It was interesting, but not great.

[Atrus]

Agreed, interesting look at the subject. I didn't expect too much going in because of course if anything of any significance had been found it would've been in the news and known about.

I'm always holding out hope that something, some artifact from religious history will be discovered that will serve to support the scripture.

~A

[seroone]

The Ark of the covenant.... the craddle of god.

It will never be found, most people think the ten commandments where like the movie style where there two giant stone slabs with words chizled into them when they probably where several and the size of a grown mans palm.
I know this. Way back when, Egypt sacked a town and took a misterious prized possetion... know one really know what this secret possetion was, all that was known is that it was taken. Now i cant remember the pharo who sacked the town i think it was akhnauten or something like that, gimme a while and ill refresh that. The ark of the covenant would no longer hold signifigance to mankind,OR god. When jesus died on the cross and FORGAVE those who persicuted him the curtin which the ark hid behind was immediatly TORN in half to signify that no longer did man need to worship this box of tablets because our bodies are now the ark. Never will be found, why? god has no purpose on keeping it on the earth and why would it matter if it was found?

[Atrus]

Originally Posted by seroone

...why would it matter if it was found?

hmmm, was following along nicely until that?

The documentary noted in this post did in fact go into great detail about the various believed trials and captures of the Ark and its travels. And Egypt was mentioned.

As for the last eight words... I can think of MANY reasons why the discovery of a religious symbol from history would be important, but I can't seem to think of one single reason why it would not matter - except for one. Perhaps its presence would support proof of God, and to some that simply isn't acceptable.

~A

[seroone]

A~ Did you know christ is the most proven person to EVER live..... more than Julius ceaser, or Adolf hitler. Now the reason i bring that up is because you say there is (more or less from what i read) no proof. Why would all major religions have christ in there passages. The Q'oran speaks of christ and is labled as a deciple. The bible speaks of christ A lot.
The ark is a mere stepping stone to faith. The thing is with most people they may admit that Christ exsisted but where people question is his reserection(spelt wrong).
The AOC wont be found, the catholic and christian church sure would want it to be found because it is a symbol of faith not as a means to lure people into the faith.

Remeber in some point in time a Man/Women has to take a leap of faith in something he beilives in. Wether it be christ reserecting or the ark. somewhere you must chose I BELIEVE or I DO NOT BELIEVE. it all comes down to faith. If you truely do not think the ark exsisted... why would that matter, only to those who said I believe will be happy about its discovery.

[Atrus]

Originally Posted by seroone

Remeber in some point in time a Man/Women has to take a leap of faith in something he beilives in.

Seroone... not sure I follow your point here accept to note that I agree and have remarked on several occasions that religion is a matter of faith.

I unfortunately don't have special wisdom as some do that tells me the Ark will never be found because it is only a symbol of faith. Fortunately, I do recognize and appreciate the significance that should the Ark, or any proven artifact be found, it would serve to establish credibility for religion.

This is one advantage science has over religion. Science in the never ending pursuit of truth and understanding, religion is the never ending reliance on faith. Religion needs something like the Ark to be found, and I for one would enjoy the intellectual ripples caused by such a discovery.

~A

[seroone]

the topic of science.


You said science is the search for truth. Big bang theory.
What created the big bang? A bunch of gas and particals combined together and exploded and thus created our universe. But what unchanging always changing thing created the units needed for the big bang?



Well ya i do agree it would show a major siginifigance in truth to what has been said in the bible. But look at history, it is filled with many "Holy Wars" to reclaim the area of Jerusalem..... why would any country join into a holy war way back when to reclaim the land saying it was a religios symbol and that it is the area of Christ/Mohammed died unless it was true? That should be the symbol of proof in my books.

[Atrus]

Just FYI... the Big Bang "theory" may have already been disproved - but the math is yet to be worked out. There is even another theory gaining support based on super strings and multiple universe's where each time they bump into one another new Big Bang events occur. The which came first - chicken or the egg question has yet to be answered by either science or religion. At least science continues to probe the natural world and beyond for answers, and is self correcting.

In any case all this has been discussed in great detail in other threads.

Cheers,
~A

[Insomnia]

The big bang theory has been disproved recently. But the fact remains that the big bang = Let there be light. Science disproves itself as it states something can't be created out of nothing. If you get a shoebox and seal it tight with the best of technology and come back 50 years later, i bet my buttons you are not going to find planets in there.
As for me i believe in Jesus christ and the holy trinity. I am a Roman Catholic. Proof of Jesus' existence:

The holy shroud. The shroud he was put on after being crucified. With all the tests they ran on it, the pictures reveal his face to be exactly as we pictured and not to mention, blood type we've never seen before.

[Atrus]

I had great hope for the shroud, but the fire it survived ruined any chance of accurate carbon dating.

As for the blood, please source that finding. I'd like to review that since it was my understanding that the DNA in the blood was also inconclusive.

The sad fact remains there simply are no conclusive artifacts from the period to support biblical events. Last night on 60 Minutes they aired a report on ancient biblical relics and how there was a thriving market working out of Egypt that has introduced a number of very well done fakes that today are considered to be real by the Christian community. Nothing of any great significance, mostly period pieces that are said to come from the time of Christ.

I would love nothing more than for religion to be able to hold up something other than the Bible to support the Bible. Until then it can be nothing more than a matter of faith.

You see, God put us all in a tough spot. On the one hand he asks that we have faith, then on the other he instills within us with the intense desire and need for truth and understanding.

This conflict is eternal, and it is my belief that one day, somewhere between faith and truth, we will come to understand the nature of things. That the two are not after all in conflict, that both are essential to understanding.

~A