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[Dainton]

hmm, i'm guessing that any thing i post here mush be reasoably polite etc.

so ok, ere somthin for ya :P

1. Jesus...'king of the jews', not 'king of the christians'

2. who did, n do persucute the jews most?

3. If the bible tetches forgivness, and peace etc, then why the crusades?
and the why apologise for them?

4. who invented, and carried out the holocaust? (i do not mean to offend any jewish members, i have jewsish relatives of my own)

5. organised begging?, the 'collection plate', and how much land, and dividends does the church own?, including its own private country of couse.

6. If 'he' is a 'forgiving' god the why is there a hell?, or purgatory, etc.

please feel free to contradict me if i'm wrong. hehehe

[Tracer]

Originally Posted by Dainton

hmm, i'm guessing that any thing i post here mush be reasoably polite etc.

so ok, ere somthin for ya :P

1. Jesus...'king of the jews', not 'king of the christians'

It was the Romans who put the crown of thorns on His head and a sign saying King Of The Jews . Not the Jews.....They actually asked Pilate to remove the sign and he said it stays...

2. who did, n do persucute the jews most?

hrmm ..hard to read but..who persecuted the Jew the most....I think

History shows that the most serious persecution of the Jews throughout history would be Germans under Hitler's rule......Agreeably, there are disputes about the numbers, all a general agreement of 6 Million Jews, 3 million others to total 9 million deaths directly attributable to the Nazi persecutions.
3. If the bible tetches forgivness, and peace etc, then why the crusades?
and the why apologise for them?

The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and were originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia. The term is also used to describe contemporaneous and subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century in territories outside the Levant usually against pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons. Rivalries among both Christian and Muslim powers led also to alliances between religious factions against their opponents, such as the Christian alliance with the Sultanate of Rum during the Fifth Crusade.

No apology is offered for these Crusades....as they took place nearly 1000 years ago ......And it is nobody's fault living today .....

4. who invented, and carried out the holocaust? (i do not mean to offend any jewish members, i have jewsish relatives of my own)

Hitler's New Order
In Adolph Hitler's autobiography, he describes his so-called "New Order," which portrays the ideas that Hitler had about racial and ethnic groups in Europe at the time. Of course, on top of the racial heap are the Nazi Germans or Aryans. The Nazis displayed grudging respect for fellow "Nordics," the Dutch, the Norwegians, and the Danes, who were invited to join the German's as "master races" in the New Order. Next came the French and the Belgians, "mixed" peoples who were rather perplexing to racial theorists. One stage lower ranked the Slavs - the Russians, the Poles, the Yugoslavians, and the Czechs. Finally, in lowest order, came those the Nazis regarded as leeches to society - the Jews and the Gypsies, as well as homosexuals from all racial groups.

5. organised begging?, the 'collection plate', and how much land, and dividends does the church own?, including its own private country of couse.

All denominations that have Christ at the center of their worship are completely seperate from one another .

The Catholics have their own little city ...The Vatican

The collection plate is not Bible Based....Jesus sent his disciple out to preach the good news and he specifically told them not to take a purse and he set the example for them...He never once asked or begged for money ...nor did he pass a collection plate....That is man's idea not God's and is man's greed at work.....He simply told His disciples that if their message is recieved they would be fed and given shelter .They never asked for money .

6. If 'he' is a 'forgiving' god the why is there a hell?, or purgatory, etc.

He is not all forgiving . That is why there is a hell . And muderers , rapists , thiefs and whoremongers have no place with those who's sins have been forgiven by Christ .God will simply seperate the sinners from the forgiven ones permanently forever . Unrepentant sinners will be blotted out...It will be as though they never existed .This is why there will be no tears in heaven. Brothers will not cry over sisters who do not repent and receive eternal life becasue they won't remember them as ever having lived.
Our sins are treated the exact same way however, if we repent God blots them out , it's like they never happened . Only those who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and repent of their sins , asking for forgiveness for each and every sin in Jesus name can be saved .There is only one name under heaven by which men can be saved .It is His Blood that was shed in your stead for your sins to be forgiven . This is why we will receive eternal life. It was death , itself that Christ defeated on the cross....He rose on the third day and over 500 people saw him . All you need do to receive this forgiveness is ask God The Father , In the name of The Son Jesus Christ and His promise to forgive you is true and He will keep it.

Look at it this way ...We put those who kill , steal or rape in prison....this is temporary.....God blots them out ...this is permanent . Nevertheless this is the price they must pay for their sins .They can freely choose that.....or they can choose to accept the price Christ has already paid. Choice...it's a wonderful thing to have...we all must make it


please feel free to contradict me if i'm wrong. hehehe

Please Note : Most if not all of my answers are taken from the Bible or from other sources on the net , and may or may not be express opinions of myself . Others may choose to provide different answers and that is there right to do so and I respect that right .


This is a very short response to "FIVE" questions .I did my best however in the space allowed.....

[Dainton]

2. who did, n do persucute the jews most?

hrmm ..hard to read but..who persecuted the Jew the most....I think

History shows that the most serious persecution of the Jews throughout history would be Germans under Hitler's rule......Agreeably, there are disputes about the numbers, all a general agreement of 6 Million Jews, 3 million others to total 9 million deaths directly attributable to the Nazi persecutions.

ha ha hitler was a christian

p.s. are you a teetcher, cos i cant think of anybody else, apart from maybe a priest or somthin, who would be willing to wright all of that, maan, it was only a rant anyways, bt it was babout religeon so...........

[Atrus]

I guess I could've used any number of statements, but this one should do.

"Brothers will not cry over sisters who do not repent and receive eternal life because they won't remember them as ever having lived."

Is this an assumption, or is it based on specific language from the scripture? By language, I mean specific words that accurately detail the assertion. I don't believe I've ever read anything on that, but of course there are those who would argue that this is what the scripture says, but to be accurate, isn't this really just what the one reader interrupts the scripture to say?

I don't claim to be as wise and all knowing as some, but it's commonly acknowledged that there are as many interpretation's of the scripture as there are religions, or believers. Perhaps the true meaning of God is that each of us finds his or her own path to truth and understanding without ever even reading the Bible, or without being influenced by those who think they've got it all figured out. Perhaps the greatest mystery and value in the scripture is that all we can say we know for sure - is that we don't know. This is faith. A passage from scripture will have one meaning for some, and a very different meaning for others. More often than not that meaning will be determined by personal or cultural spiritual wants and needs, or even by the desire for power and control over others.

Hitler was a Catholic, guess that means the Nazi's were too! Perhaps they were reading a different scripture back then - or like so many they simply interrupted to suit their needs? You will find it in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work." Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I -- Adolf Hitler -- will conclude." In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler again echoed the religious origins of his crusade. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work." Hitler regarded himself as a Catholic until he died. " I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941. --- Source, Anne Nicol Gaylor.

~A

[Tracer]

Originally Posted by Dainton

2. who did, n do persucute the jews most?

hrmm ..hard to read but..who persecuted the Jew the most....I think

History shows that the most serious persecution of the Jews throughout history would be Germans under Hitler's rule......Agreeably, there are disputes about the numbers, all a general agreement of 6 Million Jews, 3 million others to total 9 million deaths directly attributable to the Nazi persecutions.

ha ha hitler was a christian

Ah I see so all Christians are Hitler's ! Hmmm very educated response !!!

p.s. are you a teetcher, cos i cant think of anybody else, apart from maybe a priest or somthin, who would be willing to wright all of that, maan, it was only a rant anyways, bt it was babout religeon so...........

Yes I am a teacher ! Non Denominational ! My studies comprise of , Theology through Hebrew , Greek and Aromaic languages as well as the Septuigint . My references are several commentaries by 18th and 19th Century Theologains as well as authentic copies of original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts .

However , my students are educated concerning this subject and understand the answers .

You called my answers a rant ----How do you answer questions without writing a reply to each one ? Please tell me !

You see , I am smart enough to know that no matter what answers I give on this forum to any Bible question , they will never be right .

This is simple , because the ones asking the questions have never read the Bible and have a complete lack of knowledge concerning the subject matter . They don't ask questions for answers , but for their ego .They feel , that by just getting a response , gives them a chance to feel better about themselves , not from the answers, but from their unapreciated replies to the answers .

This is why after all the effort I have taken to research and answer your questions in a completly sincere manner ..Not a single person who has asked...Said Thankyou...

This tells me volumes about the character of those who have asked ! I won't be waisting my time here anymore simply to give you guys your thrill for the day . I would suggest if you have questions about certain subjects , go back to school and learn the answers for yourself....Your other option is to remain ignorant of these topics .

PS: Atrus wrote ...Is this an assumption ?
Would you believe The Bible if I gave you an exact quote? Not likely ! Life is more then simple one line answers that wouln't be believed anyway !

One thing I have noticed....No other Christians try to answer questions here.... and no wonder ! The majority of people on this forum are Christians according to the polls.....but where are their responses ?

[Atrus]

Tracer,

On the one hand part of me says there is a God, on the other I'm saddened that you would bail out.

Again, I've read most of your posts on religion and while I don't agree with your approach you do put in enough thought, time, and effort to warrant appreciation. And while it may not always show, there are those who respect and appreciate what you're trying to do. Problem is, some folks just don't want to be informed or converted.

One other thing... I'm a bit wordy at times myself. The average forum viewer simply won't read or loses interest in the long posts. If I may, I would suggest you forget about not posting at all and simply consider shorter responses, and most important -- let peeps know that your opinions and views on religion are just that. There are just too many different roads leading to the same place to say that one road is better than the other, even if you believe it to be true with all your heart, you'll never convince everyone.

Do I believe in God? Yes, it's religion I have a problem with. I just don't think we've got it right, or anyone else for that matter. I prefer the answers remain a mystery because once we attempt to define God by religion we diminish God's potential. Religion is man's feeble attempt to understand, and that will always be a question of faith. In my humble view religion is not needed to know God, or to receive his blessings.

But, my beliefs are just that - my beliefs. As are yours. Share with others, but don't push. There's room here for everyone to express their views and while you might not think it so, I for one appreciate yours.

~A

[SS-Midnight]

Originally Posted by Atrus

The average forum viewer simply won't read or loses interest in the long posts. ...simply consider shorter responses, and most important -- let peeps know that your opinions and views on religion are just that.

BINGO!

I have ADHD like you wouldn't believe! I have a 8-10 line limit, then I go into a coma! Unless it's a really funny joke!
I have read the bible twice. Guess how many times I went into a coma? heh...

Originally Posted by Dainton

hmm, i'm guessing that any thing i post here mush be reasoably polite etc.

so ok, ere somthin for ya :P

1. Jesus...'king of the jews', not 'king of the christians'

2. who did, n do persucute the jews most?

3. If the bible tetches forgivness, and peace etc, then why the crusades?
and the why apologise for them?

4. who invented, and carried out the holocaust? (i do not mean to offend any jewish members, i have jewsish relatives of my own)

5. organised begging?, the 'collection plate', and how much land, and dividends does the church own?, including its own private country of couse.

6. If 'he' is a 'forgiving' god the why is there a hell?, or purgatory, etc.

please feel free to contradict me if i'm wrong. hehehe

1. Jesus is the "Christ". Not king. As said before 'king' was a title given sarcastically to ridicule him by his executioners.

3. I do not believe the Crusades had anything to do with any teaching from the Bible. Any more than terrorism has anything to do with any teaching from the Koran. And no, I did not say that the crusades were terrorism.

5. The collection plate as well as tithing have nothing to do with begging. It is a principle that what you have is given to you by God and you should return a small portion to help support his church. Churches are a place of worship and not a business. Having a belief is one thing, but having a comfortable place to practice your belief takes donations. That is my understanding.

6. God forgives those who are repentant. Hell is for those who are not repentant.