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Where is the United States Of America mentioned and talked about in the Living Bible ?

Isiah Chapter 18 - Has to do with America today ...

The Very Constitution which is taken from the Bible - Common Law - One Nation Under God . Blessed . Many wish to come to her because of God's blessings on this land....

America is a Bible Land

All Christians know that the prophets foretold the future and gave many prophecies which are being fulfilled in our time. However, it may be news to many that the Bible even speaks of our own United States of America.

Not under that name, of course, but the Bible describes a certain land in such terms as definitely identify it as the United States. However, part of this has been concealed from all but the deepest students of the Bible, by the unfortunate mistranslation of certain words in the commonly used King James version.

The prophet Isaiah, one of most deeply inspired prophets in the Bible, foretells the future of a number of different nations.

With one exception, these kingdoms which were then important nations, were competing with one another for mastery over western Asia and the Mediterranean shores. In his thirteenth chapter, Isaiah names Babylon and foretells its coming destruction, even naming the Medes as the chief nation by whom Babylon would be overthrown (although Isaiah wrote this 176 years before the fall of Babylon).

He also foretells that, after its destruction, the Arabs would never camp overnight at the site of the ruined city, which is true even today. In his fourteenth chapter Isaiah concludes his prophecies against Babylon and names another people doomed to be broken as a punishment for their evil ways, the Assyrians.

In the fifteenth and sixteenth chapters, Isaiah prophecies the destruction of another nation, that of Moab. In his seventeenth chapter, Isaiah foretells the fall of Damascus. (Let us skip over the eighteenth chapter for the moment, but we will come back to it.)

In the nineteenth and twentieth chapters, he foretells the destruction of another mighty nation, the great empire of Egypt. In the twenty‑third chapter, he foretells the doom of the powerful commercial seaport of Tyre.

All of these nations were pagan enemies of God's people and God's patience with their wickedness was near its end. So, these prophecies are all prophecies of destruction. Isaiah lists these nations all by name, for they then had names and were the important nations of their day.

But, in the midst of this, in the short eighteenth chapter, Isaiah speaks of another nation which he does not name, but merely describes it. Unfortunately the translators have sadly garbled this short chapter until its meaning is lost.

Correctly translated from the Hebrew, its references to this un‑named nation (found in verses one, two, three and seven) read thus:

Ho! to the land of buzzing wings, which lies beyond the rivers of Ethiopia; That sends its ambassadors by sea, in water drinking vessels upon the waters. Go, you swift messengers, to a nation tall and smooth shaven, to a people terrible from their beginning onward; a nation measured out by lines under foot, whose lands the rivers divide.

"In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion.” (Isaiah 18:7)

Now, let us examine this very unusual description and see which nation it will fit. It is not named and as we shall see, this is for the very good reason that, at the time when Isaiah wrote, it had no name, for it did not yet exist.

The first strange thing we note is that it is "the land of the buzzing wings.” Nearly all of you who listen to me can, at this moment, hear the drone of airplanes in the sky. No other nation in the world has its skies so filled with "buzzing wings," day and night, as our own United States. Next, where is it located? Isaiah says it is "beyond the rivers of Ethiopia." (Isaiah 18:1)The rivers of Ethiopia are the tributaries which unite into the great Nile River and flow northward into the Mediterranean Sea, due west of Jerusalem.

Look straight west from Jerusalem, where the Prophet write these words and your line of vision will cut across the mouths of the Nile River, across the north African shore, through Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco, none of which can possibly answer any part of the description of this nation.

So, we keep going on due west, across the Atlantic Ocean and we arrive at the shores of the United States on the coastline of Georgia and South Carolina. Isaiah says that this nation "send its ambassadors by sea, in water drinking vessels upon the waters.” (Isaiah 18:2)

The American ambassadors can go only to Mexico and Canada by land. More than any almost any other nation, we must send our ambassadors by sea. Until just the last few years the ambassadors had to go by sea but now we have become able to send them on the "buzzing wings." By sea they have gone, for most of our history, in "water drinking vessels," that is steam ships, which must "drink" great quantities of water for their boilers.

It is a nation "tall and smooth shaven." You have noticed how few foreigners are of our height. In both World Wars, the United States army was the tallest army on record.

Among them were few moustaches and practically no beards. Today, except for the "beatniks,” where can you find a beard among us? It is a people terrible from their beginning onward and so we have been. We were born by defeating the greatest power in Europe, the British Empire, not only once, but twice.

We whipped the North African pirate kings to whom even proud Britain was paying tribute. We ended Spain's long dream of world wide empire and we won two World Wars which must have gone the other way if we had stayed out. "A nation measured out by lines under foot," says Isaiah.

The United States "Metes and Bounds Act," enacted by Congress about a century and a half ago, established the world's first system of surveying the whole nation into sections and townships, laid out by the compass. Even today, most nations do not have this system. Truly, "a nation measured out by lines on the ground, under foot." It is a nation "Whose land the rivers divide, or quarter." The Mississippi River cuts our land in half, from north to south. The Ohio River and its tributaries divide the eastern half in two. The Columbia, the North Platte and related streams, cut the western half in two. Where else do you find the like? Isaiah says, "All you inhabitants of the world and you dwellers on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, look in fear; and attend when the bugle is blown.” Truly, we are "a nation terrible from their beginning onward.”

When our battle flags fly and the bugles call our armies to war, the whole world has learned that it had better pay very respectful attention. There is no other nation in the world which will fit this entire description, but our nation does. But there is still one more point, verse seven says: At that time shall a present be brought to the Lord of Hosts: a nation tall and smooth shaven, a people terrible from their beginning onward, a nation measured out by lines under foot, whose land the rivers quarter, to the place of the name of the Lord of Hosts, Mount Zion." This is no pagan nation, like those of Asia and Africa. It is no atheist nation, like those of the Communist empire. It is a Christian nation, bringing its people, its strength, its hopes and ideals as a present to our God. It has been proved to you that we are even today living in Bible times. But it is also true that you are living in a Bible land, one favorably mentioned in the Bible. The Bible is written to and about us, the Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian and Germanic people. THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK AND WE ARE ITS PEOPLE.

I hope this helps some to understand a little more about "The United States Of America" and how precious she is to God.......

[weaver]

When Caine was cursed by God and sent away into the land of Nod, he found a wife...

Since he was human #3 according to the bible and we doubt this is a sister.. who was this woman?

Further - in non biblical canons, he was cast into the darkness and became a worshiper of Lilith. Was he the first vampire?

[Rufus]

I have no idea, nor do I claim to understand any of what you have copied and pasted in the above post.

However, I chose a line and Googled it "We were born by defeating the greatest power in Europe, the British Empire, not only once, but twice."

Seemingly, White supremacists also have the same views as you:

America is a Bible Land

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Rufus --Your post makes no sense .You not being able to understand anything is too bad but you are off topic and did not ask a question....So I can't answer you ..sorry

Thanks for the question Weaver ..here we go

If you study the Bible in greater detail you will soon discover that Cain was not human #3 . It doesn't say or imply in any way that he was human #3 ....
Those of us who have had the opportunity to study the Bible in greater detail and having access to the scriptures , written in their original languages see things much differently . The book of Genesis was wriiten by a well known Bible character , named Moses . It was written in his native tongue , Hebrew .
What the Bible really says is that God made the world and man , including all the different races in the first 6 days , but not Adam ...Adam was made on the eighth day my friend . IE : Black people , Asian People , Etc were made before God rested on the seventh day.

Geneisis Chapter 1 Verse 26 Reads....
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth .
Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 28...
And God blessed them and said unto them, be fruitful and multiply , and replenish the earth , and subdue it : and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowwl of the air, and over every living thing that mveth upon the earth .
Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 31 Reads...
And God saw everything that He had made, and behold,it was very good.And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
So now God has made man in His inage and now Day 6 is finished .
Now Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 1 Reads....
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them .
Now Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 2 Reads...
And on the seventh day God ended His workwhich He had made;and He rested on the seventh day from all His work that He had made.
Ok so at this point God has finished all his work in 6 days and He rested on the seventh .He has made man in His image and so on as it reads ...
Now lets move on and look at Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 5..
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew :for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth , and there was not a man to till the ground.
Now Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 6...
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Now Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 7...
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground , and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life ; and man became a living soul .
Now Genesis Chapter 2 Verse 8...
And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden , and there he put the man whom He had formed.
This man God placed in the Garden was Adam.....This word Adam...in the Hebrew means "ademic" or "rudy complection"....in otherwords this man.s skin was a rudy complection and a blushing complection or light skinned ....what we refer to now as "caucasion" .
To make a long story short....Eve had sex with the serpent ....She then had sex with Adam...She gave birth to "Fraternal Twins" --- Same mother ...Different fathers......The serpent's son's name was Cain and Adam's son's name was Abel .
Lets now go to Genesis Chapter 3 Verse 13....
And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done ?And the woman said , The serpent brguiled me , and I did eat.
This word "beguiled" in the Hebrew means ...(Wholly Seduced With Loss Of Virginity) involving the backbone....You can guess the rest ////
Now lets be sure of what we are really saying here....You mean Eve never ate an apple....No she certainly did not ..However , this is what satan wants us all to beleive right from the time we are children...but apple is never mentioned ....
How can we be sure this is what really happened ?
Lets look at the punishment God Gives for this act.
Genesis Chapter 3 Verse 14 Reads.....
"AND THE LORD GOD SAID UNTO THE SERPENT, BECAUSE THOU HAST DONE THIS , THOU ART CURSED ABOVE ALL CATTLE, AND ABOVE EVERY BEAST OF THE FIELD; UPON THY BELLY SHALT THOU GO, AND DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE ."
Genesis Chapter 3 Verse 15 Reads....
(Here it is now the proof is in Gods Punishment ....)
AND I WILL PUT ENMITY BETWEEN THEE AND THE WOMAN , AND BETWEEN THY SEED AND HER SEED ; IT SHALL BRUISE THY HEAD AND THOU SHALT BRUISE HIS HEEL.
This word "Enmity" in the Hebrew is "Hatred".....
What did Cain do to his brother when they both became of age and brought their offerings to God on the exact same day ?
He slew him...he hated him...God's punishment....
Lets skip to "The New Testament John Chapter 8 Verse 44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Eve and the apple are one of the biggest lies , swallowed by mankind .Satan is very good at what he does...lie
You see , this is why Cain is never mentioned in Adams geneology , only Abel ...
So first in Chapter 1 , God made man in His image and told them to be fruitful and multiply and they certainly obeyed God and did just that ......
So now we have many , many people upon the earth....

Next in Chapter 2 Verse 7 ...Then God forms man from the dust of the earth and calls him "Adam".....This is how Cain went to the land of Nod and took a wife...

I hope this helps you to clearly see what really happened in the beginning.
Please do not ask me to justify my answer...I simply quoted scripture....It is there and easy enough for a child to understand...I ask that you do not take this man's word for it or any other man's word , but search the scriptures yourself . God tells us the scriptures are good for teaching , for reproof and for doctrine.

God Bless you weaver and thanks for the question! May you come to know the wonderful truths that are within God's Living Word ......

[Rufus]

Sorry Tracer,

I'm not trying to argue or tear you down this time just wondering how the same piece of text, can be used to convey a Christian message as such, and then the same text is used to justify or promote white supremacist views.

It's odd how the same thing means different things to different men.

Not a dig at you this time honest

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I just found that aricle on Bible references to America....So I copied it and pasted it in its original form and in it's entirety ..It is in no way a view on my part one way or the other .

I meant nothing by it whatsoever in any way ..I simply thought it might be interesting to some ....I have no idea why you would take offence to it .

You made a point that I had copied and pasted an article , which is not against any forum rules here . Then you did the exact same thing with your sentence.....and actually made a link to the "Exact Article" ; Why would you want the same ( "offensive" - in your words ) article posted twice in the same thread ?

I thought it a little hypocritical at first , but then I realized maybe this is something you feel you need to do ! This seems to follow a trend of , "Quote & Tear Down" other's post's here .Your reasons for this are unclear to me .

This is a thread I started for those truly interested in answers to legitimate Bible questions some sincere folks may have !!!! I take a sincere aproach to providing the best possible answer and spend a lot of my time , researching in order to provide that answer .You never posted a question so I just don't understand the whole point of your post .

If you wish to clarify why you posted what you did , then go ahead and do so along with any sincere and legitimate question about the Bibleyou may have , and I will do my best to research and give you my best possible answer .

If all you are interested in is following me around the forum and using it as a tree stump to mock , ridicule or make light of Christianity , then I think you do yourself an injustice as well as the majority of people who use this forum and are Christians !

Please let this thread go back to simply posting sincere questions.....and simply replying with sincere answers . As it was intended to hopefully help new Christians understand The Bible .

I am not all knowing and I do not wish to imply that . I can however answer many questions most people have concerning the Bible .

I spent considerable time researching Weaver's question and attempted an answer that was non-denominational and accurate using all the tools at my disposal . It might not have been the answer he wanted , but it was exactly what the Bible tells us .

My prayer is that all find God in their own way and their own time..I only wish to promote the truth concerning accurate Bible understanding ....Those who do not consider the Bible to be a truth ...Would never be happy with my Bible quotes to answer any question .

PS: I don't believe "White Supremacy" was an issue when America won her freedom.....You are the only one I have seen use those words in this forum Rufus.....

My children are Half - African American and the casual use of "White Supremacy" here is not wanted by myself or any other person who looks at racism as a "dirty and ignorant attitude toward other certain individuals" . God loves all His children equally...as I have so often said .

[Atrus]

Tracer,

"The Bible is written to and about us, the Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian and Germanic people. THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK AND WE ARE ITS PEOPLE."

-or more accurate to say-

"The Bible is interrupted by some as being written by us and about us, the Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian and Germanic people. In my humble opinion, THE BIBLE IS OUR BOOK AND WE ARE ITS PEOPLE."

And, "I hope this helps some to understand a little more about "The United States Of America" and how precious she is to God......."

While I respect much of what you've written it loses its impact when you make the all too common sounds of religious dominance of one group of God's children over another. Would the God you believe in abandon so many souls who by virtue of their flawed human teachings don't recognize what you perceive to be as the one and only God. I find this avenue of thinking to be narrow and misguided. It is the mind set of most religions to see their God as the only God - these flawed interpretations of religious teachings have resulted in too many needless wars and too much human suffering - all in the name of God.

It sounds like you've had a respectable amount of conventional stateside education on Christianity, and you produce the typically long posts where there are a lot of religious chips flying, but is any spiritual wood being chopped? My suggestion to all would be not to mistake what one belief system sees as "understanding" for what is in reality only an interpretation.

I'm not looking for any answers to my questions - just making observations. But, if you insist please keep your response to a couple of paragraphs or less - I fall asleep reading the sermons.

~A

[Rufus]

Dude,

You really need to stop flattering yourself by assuming I "follow" you around this forum, I have as much right to post in any section I chose, as do you.

Just because I chose not to believe in God, does that mean I can't post in the religion section? And where did I say I took "offence" at your post?

Please read what I put in my post as I clearly state that I am not trying to "pull you down" nor do I use the term "White Supremacy" lightly, and I may be the "only" person to have used the term, so what, what are you trying to say there?

I don't think that makes me the bad guy you try and portray me to be in your post, just because I dare to use a term that no one else on here has.

Anyway, like I said, just pointing out that the same piece of text was used by you to enlighten us as to why America is "The Bible land" and how the muppets that have that website use the Bible somehow to justify their extremest beliefs. I don't see anything wrong there to be honest.

I really don't see how you think I am mocking , ridiculing or making light of Christianity, just wondering how the same chunk of text can be used by people that, one would assume, are at different ends of the human spectrum.

One more point, I think you may find that before America was on it's way to freedom from the British and becoming "The Bible Land", the white man decimated the native Americans who were living there long before. Does the Bible make that part of American history right and justifiable?

Sorry if this post offends anyone in anyway that is not my intention.

[Tracer]

I will not be answering anymore questions here about the Bible ..I'm sorry I made the thread....The moderator can go ahead and lock it if he wishes .

The last two post's never asked a question which is what the thread was clearly for , instead they ignored the topic and attacked me ?

Anyone who didn't have a question had no business even posting here ....

This was meant for one purpose only as the Thread clearly stated. For Christians to ....ASK A BIBLE QUESTION....and for me to answer as best I could .....

Nothing more.....But you two people obviously could not live with that . My answer was too long or I copied something or I was too religious or I made it sound like my God was the only God . Fear raises it's ugly head in many ways . The Nazis feared these exact same things .

You've succeeded in your objective....Congratulations.

Sometimes as with the Nazis , Christian content is just not welcome and I accept that.The Bible teaches all Christians , that each time we are persecuted for our beliefs , God gives us a blessing ....So thankyou for that.

[Titan]

I will close this thread as per your request.

I don't see how White Supremacy, nor mentions of the Nazi regime should even make their way into the thread at all.

[Atrus]

Agreed 100%