Truth behind 9/11

[darklordrevan]

Just wanted to let you know that in 1995 Tom Clancy wrote Debt of Honour. In this he describes how the best attack against the USA is going to be against the economy and not its leaders. At the end of the book a Japanese comercial pilot (disgruntled with the USA) flies a plane into the Capitol building killing off most of the leadership allowing Jack Ryan to become President.

I propose that Osama BinLaden likes a good read and pre 9/11 read this book and took the advice to heart and combined these two plot lines by having planes fly into the world trade center. The entire series is a fascinating read for anyone but the similarities (while most likely coincidental) are remarkable!

[dwinx]

I read "102 Minutes" a few months back, which also details that the possibility of a plane crashing into the towers was discussed back when the towers were built. It also discusses building code issues with some first-hand accounts of survivors. A very worthwhile read if you are interested in this topic.

Robert

[slayer44]

Look up this on google

"Loose Change" its a conspiracy movie some guy made

[ryan16626]

Wow Slayer, I watched Loose Change and it is incredible. I find just about every thing in that documentary plausible. To think that our government would and could do such a thing like that is horrible. It all makes sense though. I am about to have my dad watch this. He was in the air force for 36 years and retired as a colonel. As of now, he thinks I am stupid for believng all of this but it will be interesting to see how he thinks once the video is over. He is very stubborn but there was a lot of hard evidence that shows the government did this. Once he watches this, I will post back with his thoughts.

Very crazy!

[slayer44]

I watched a little of it i cant remember much just the title and somthing about shadows.. its like 2 hours long isent it?

[seroone]

80 mins aka 1hr 20 mins pretty good vdeo might i add

[Construct]

Somehow I doubt Osama bin Laden reads Tom Clancy books in his spare time.

[ryan16626]

Overthrow the Bush regime!

[Construct]

OH MY GOD, Tom Clancy is secretly Osama Bin Laden!!!

[LuciferDMD]

I KNEW THAT, i have tea with the both of them every afternoon
just imagine, tom clancy, osama, and lucifer sittin around, throw in hitler and 2 midgets u've got urself a party (JK )

as far as loose change goes, it's a great movie and yea great proof, but we all know how great video editing goes, and photoshop and so on, ppl have their ideas and opinions and i'd take it all with a grain of salt, unless u were there u'll never know if it was osama, bush, both, or godzilla

[ryan16626]

That is true, some people are masters of video editing. For all we know, the whole movie could be edited and fake.

On the other hand though, I really don't think so. A lot of the hard evidence they showed was off of major news stations like cnn and msnbc. I doubt those were edited but who knows.

Just my opinion on the whole thing is that it makes sense, lots of people had much to gain.

[Bobson]

As an active duty member of the United States Air Force, I'll add that I am firmly convinced 9/11 was set up by the American government.

Also, Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007

While Tooth makes a good point that movies are easily edited, there's a lot of information in this video I personally know to be true.

[Atrus]

Bobson,

While I'm not in the Air Force several members of my family are. Where are you stationed and what do you do?

Also, on September of 11th, I was in my office in Crystal City about 3 blocks from the Pentagon. I had (not close but) friends working in the Pentagon on that day. Forensic evidence clearly and without any doubt demonstrates that a commercial jet liner hit the Pentagon. Had no friends or relatives in N.Y., but there too - no forensic evidence of anything other than two commercial jet air liners impacting the Twin Towers. As for whether our government was behind the attack or not, you and everyone else who believes that to be true is CORRECT, but not for the reasons you think. There was NO conspiracy as the cause for 911 was starring everyone in the face for years.

Anyone who knows anything about the middle east is familiar with the doctrine of Wahabeism. A principle tenant of which states that no infidel (that would be the U.S.) shall occupy Islamic lands. The (19) Saudi terrorists who struck our homeland on 911 did so because we occupied territory (bases in Saudi Arabia) in the middle east, and yes, because they believe Israel has no homeland, and who makes that possible - that too would be the U.S. The premise that America was behind the 911 attacks is true only in so much as we caused Islamic fundamentalists to attack us for our occupation of their lands, as well as, our support of Israel. Bin Laden himself has said as much in his taped statements. There is no mystery here and no conspiracy just religious fanaticism being exacted on what Islamic fundamentalists perceive as the great Satan. Again, that would be US.

The biggest conspiracy of 911 comes into play when the Bush administration pulls out of Afghanistan and invades Iraq based on the lie of Iraqi terrorism. Week after week, lie after lie, fear mongering, deception, deceit, and dishonesty... this is what you can legitimately claim as a conspiracy by our government. I have no hatred for Bush and his cabal of narrow minded neocons, but frankly they don't have the skill sets or ability to pull off a 911 conspiracy - thinking of Katrina, look at how well that was managed. You want a conspiracy try this on for size. Terrorism used as a convenient excuse to do away with Habius Corpus, many of our Constitutional Rights, the acceptance of torture, our integrity and our good name built over decades of commitment and sacrifice to peace and property for the many not the few. The America we once knew, the America of September 10, 2001, no longer exists in the mind of the world. It will take a lifetime to recover the admiration and respect we have lost and so many have sacrificed to establish.

~A

[the-cube]

I totally agree with this thread.. I actually posted a thread on the DASPAWN forums yesterday on a simular topic
here's what I said:

Originally Posted by the_cube

do you remember 9/11? I do, and I remember them DISTINCTLY saying a Boeing 757, a plane that carry's 80 passengers.. 5300 gallons of fuel, and weighs 272,500 lbs, hit the pentagon.
lets see what you think after looking at this video.

YouTube - Cruise Missile Strikes Pentagon



does the object in that video look like this to you?
That flame you see DEFINATLY isn't the flames of 5300 gallons of fuel igniting is it?
or does it look like a missle?
because it looks like a missle to me.
how can a huge plane fly that low, THAT FAST (530 kmh), manned by a novice hijacker, and hit so cleanly?
also tell me why the FBI went around to all homes, and business' in the nearby area that caught footage of the flying object, and seize their footage? coverup? of what? if they told us it was a plane.. why can't they allow us to see it? they sure as hell didn't seize any of the footage caught on tape of the two planes flying into the Trades Centres.

YouTube - 9/11 Pentagon Strike, Flight 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon

Here's a simular video that shows another view of the Pentagon hit. This time by a Security camera, at and entrance station on the premesis. This video goes into much more detail than the first, be patient with it, and please watch the entire clip. It clearly points out numerous facts of WHY this couldn't have been an aircraft of any kind.

YouTube - 9/11 Pentagon Attack: A Closer Look

This video is like the previous, but shows much more detail (when zoomed) on the Pentagon's Secuity Booth camera. I didn't know a Boeing was 5m long and blue? wow you can fit 80 people in there? JEEEEZ!

So pretty much when it comes down to it, I don't feel too safe anymore living above a country that will DELIBERATLY attack their own federal buildings, in a plot to get what? oil? a new colonie? (iraq)
I was playing with a fellow today in Gatsu's server, Me, jf Playa, and this other guy got into a heated arguement, and deep conversation about this.. so i decided to do my research and bring this debate to the DA forums.
This player who i was talking to told me that the americans, back when they were in a fight with Cuba and Fidel Castro, devised a plan that is scarily simular to this plan on the pentagon. He told me that there is released documents stateing that the American government planned to paint an aircraft of their own, to disguise it and make it look like it was from Cuba. Then they planned to fill it full of people and fly it into the ground. They never did follow through with this plan though.

Spring 2001: A series of military and governmental policy documents is released that seek to legitimize the use of US military force in the pursuit of oil and gas. One advocates presidential subterfuge and hiding the reasons for warfare “as a necessity for mobilizing public support.”

Sept 20, 2001: Several 9/11 hijackers later mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report turn up alive. "Five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive, innocent and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television...The hijackers were using stolen identities."

It's clear guys. get out of the states as soon as you can.
I'll finish with something that has always bothered me.
A DICTIONARY DESCRIPTION!

DEMOCRACY
de·moc·ra·cy –noun, plural -cies.
government by the people for the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

this isnt a democracy.

[XTR3M3]

Never underestimate what Osama would read or do to have his personal goals achieved. He has already perverted his own religion to make it serve his own ends. By falling into "9-11" conspiracy theories, you are helping his cause.

If there was even a reasonable doubt that anything other than planes hit any of the buildings, it would be out. Bush's approval rating was in the 20's and democrats have a majority in congress now. They always leak information out that they want the public to know....If proof existed in this age of instant information, it would be out by now.

I watched some of those so called "conspiracy videos" of the planes hitting and I could have done a better job on my computer editing them myself with Photoshop. With today's technology, you could make it look like Beavis and Butthead hit the twin towers if you wanted to....

There is no good proof and until there is, I am listening to the experts...not the wackos that want their 15min of fame trying to come up with someone to blame other than the terrorists that hijacked the planes.