cpnichol
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First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 12, 2010, 21:44:36
So this is a story that caught my eye:
Quote: The bill would provide funds to first responders and residents who were sickened by the toxic dust from the debris.
The $7.4 billion measure was defeated in the House last week when Democrats decided to require a two-thirds majority for passage, fearing Republicans would attach amendments to the bill.
Apparently one of the issues the Republicans had with the bill was whether it would apply to any illegal immigrants. Because if you weren't legal then putting yourself in harms way to save lives or clear up the mess clearly means any health issues you have are your own fault for not being legal.
Some Republican Senators objected because the proposed tax to pay for the bill were a "job tax" that would mean people would lose their jobs. The tax (which are apparently necessary to pay for things in this crazy Democrat world) would close a tax loop hole that allows companies to earn money in the US yet pay no tax at all if they have a tax haven post code. Sounds like that loop hole should be closed as a matter of urgency regardless of what it pays for.
Fox reports it rather differently:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008May15/0,4670,PoliceUnions,00.html
A few other links:
http://www.examiner.com/x-11804-Health-Care-Examiner~y2010m8d4-Health-care-bill-for-911-first-responders-defeated-but-whose-fault-is-it
http://www.ny1.com/content/special_reports/wtc_coverage/123032/first-responders-blast-congress-over-9-11-health-bill-defeat?ap=1 Last Edited: Aug 12, 2010, 22:05:23
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XTR3M3
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Re: First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 15, 2010, 12:14:18
I am a little shocked at how both sides spin this "illegal immigrant" issue. Should illegal immigrants be excluded from rights and privileges granted by America for Americans? Of course. Should illegals be denied HUMAN rights, no of course not. The part that always makes me mad is the hypocrisy of the left about this issue. It is one of the things that is wrong with America. It is just like a burgler that is attacked by the home owner's dog or that falls through a sky-lite in the commision of the crime being able to sue said home-owner for damages and winning. (both of these things have actually happened)....or someone trespassing onto my job site and hurting themselves and then trying to sue me even though they were breaking the law and trespassing. How can you give them the same rights as LEGIT citizens and allow them to take atvantage of the system like that? Sure some of the illegals put themselves in harms way in an attempt to help people on 9-11....but if they weren't breaking the law to be here, they wouldn't be in harms way now would they?
Our Government has no guts to do what needs to be done here. I applaud Arizona for having the guts to write laws that ACTUALLY HOLD CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE. Do we need to get rid of all the illegals? of course not. We need to figure out a way to put the ones contributing on the fast track to a green card, get rid of the criminal element that is sneaking in with them, and then lock the border down so tight it squeeks.....and slam the hell out of the next wave that is sure to try and sneak in after. What good would it do to deal with the ones already here if we don't stop the hemorrhaging at our borders when we do?
I would not go to Great Britain, Europe, Russia, Middle Eastern countries like Iraq or Saudie Arabia and expect the same rights as one of their citizens....because I am not citizens of any of those. I am just tired of people taking atvantage of the system and polititians using these types of issues for political gain, not to actually fix the problem. Last Edited: Aug 15, 2010, 12:16:14
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Atrus
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Re: First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 17, 2010, 05:10:56
Don't drop by here too often anymore, seems like there's only a few that care or understand enough to comment. Normally I'd chime in on this issue, but lately I've become discouraged. Politics used to fascinate me, now I have to wonder just what it is we're becoming. I won't go into great detail here, just a few thoughts.
Once upon a time... there was a country where people could come to live in political and religious freedom. Millions came to this country feeding the fires of industrial revolution fueled by their sweat and blood. So many came, so many were welcome, that we felt it appropriate to dedicate a great statue, in our greatest city. At the base of that statue there is a placard that reads, "Give me your tired your poor your huddled masses yearning to breath free."
In a different, but related matter... please correct me if I'm mistaken, but at last count America has given 4,415 of it's finest in Iraq. Among the many reasons given for that war, and to this day, we're left with the assertion that it was to free the Iraqi people from the tyranny and suppression of Saddam Hussein. To free the Iraqi people, freedom for people, not just any people, but Muslim people. So, if I understand correctly -- Americans were sent to foreign lands to fight and die so that people of a different faith could live free and exercise their religious freedoms.
Politics, hypocrisy... makes my head explode. I don't have the answers, I can only point out that which doesn't feel right. The industrial revolution has past, and we no longer have any need for the huddled masses, so, I guess it's time to change the placard at the base of the Statue of Liberty? 4,415 dead Americans so that Muslim people could be free, but please don't allow that faith we die to protect to put up a place to worship.
It would seem we take our freedoms for granted, without truly understanding their significance. Or, perhaps I'm just confused by the politics of it all. |
Xemnas
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Re: First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 19, 2010, 00:35:43
Quote: In a different, but related matter... please correct me if I'm mistaken, but at last count America has given 4,415 of it's finest in Iraq. Among the many reasons given for that war, and to this day, we're left with the assertion that it was to free the Iraqi people from the tyranny and suppression of Saddam Hussein. To free the Iraqi people, freedom for people, not just any people, but Muslim people. So, if I understand correctly -- Americans were sent to foreign lands to fight and die so that people of a different faith could live free and exercise their religious freedoms.
Politics, hypocrisy... makes my head explode. I don't have the answers, I can only point out that which doesn't feel right. The industrial revolution has past, and we no longer have any need for the huddled masses, so, I guess it's time to change the placard at the base of the Statue of Liberty? 4,415 dead Americans so that Muslim people could be free, but please don't allow that faith we die to protect to put up a place to worship.
It would seem we take our freedoms for granted, without truly understanding their significance. Or, perhaps I'm just confused by the politics of it all. Sorry for going off topic here;
I have a friend who is a former Marine, who has went to Iraq and back 3 times, and is thankful enough to still be breathing.
The war itself is yes, To free the Iraqi people from Sadamm, But, If i remember right, out intel was a little off in belief that saddam had WMD. But anyways, my friend told me one day as i was buying him a cold one, That it was very much worth risking his life for those people, Cause they deserver just as much freedom as do, They are people just like us, They have suffered longer then any American citizen has (in terms of politics BS) to have freedom, and too live in prosperity, Dispite their religion, They deserve freedom.
That not the correct words he has used, But you get the picture. |
Atrus
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Re: First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 19, 2010, 07:06:03
I know two guys who've served more than one tour in Iraq, and they both say the same thing. They believe in their country, that Iraq will be a better place, that they can't leave their people in harms way, and they want to be there to get the job done and see this thing through.
Wouldn't it be nice if our politicians had the same level of dedication to their jobs? Not just keeping their jobs, but actually doing their jobs.
Also, sure was nice to see the "combat" troops heading home last night. Last Edited: Aug 19, 2010, 07:07:24
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Xemnas
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Re: First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 19, 2010, 16:21:23
Quote: I know two guys who've served more than one tour in Iraq, and they both say the same thing. They believe in their country, that Iraq will be a better place, that they can't leave their people in harms way, and they want to be there to get the job done and see this thing through.
Wouldn't it be nice if our politicians had the same level of dedication to their jobs? Not just keeping their jobs, but actually doing their jobs.
Also, sure was nice to see the "combat" troops heading home last night. Maybe i'm sound like teenager who has a bad case of Teenage angst. But politics are @$$holes, if i'm learned a thing about american poltics, it's that they really don't give lick about america's future, the youth, or our soldiers and Marines, They are just tool to them, Proxies if you will. They only care about them selfs, Cause they got the perks to do it. I'm not gonna ramble on about how much i dislike american's government cause then i won't shut up about it. Last Edited: Aug 19, 2010, 16:24:38
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XTR3M3
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Re: First Responders Bill Fails to Pass
Posted: Aug 19, 2010, 21:27:37
I don't think you are going to get any disagreement from Americans that the Government is a bunch of corrupt, self-serving, self-perceived royal jerks that think that they are above the law and better than the rest of us.....don't forget hypocritical and liars as well. Even the things they do achieve that, on the surface, look like they are doing for the American people.....look a little deeper and I think you will find them doing it more for themselves and their campaign contributors than for us. I don't hate our government, but I hate most of the politicians. Attorneys and politicians, IMO, are now worse than used car salesmen...slimy wise. |
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