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What is wrong with Kids these days!?!
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 08:04:22
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Today at school at the beginning of lunch I walked into the area known as "The smoke pit" and was talking to a couple friends and heard that another person i know was going to fight. So i walked over to my bud and said "hey whats going on" he says that the kid was "Talking SH**" and that he was gonna beat him up. So i get all amped to see my friend fight and started talking to him with my other friend Castriot that he should go over there and fight him. So once the crowd hears there is going to be a fight everyone starts yelling FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!. So as he approaches this kid he walks up punches him in the head once Pulls out a homemade shank and stabs him 3 times in the chest and once Above the temple. I was standing 2-3 feet away from my friend as he did this and Started yelling at him along with my other buddies who knew him "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING VIT!" After he stabs him 3-4 times he gives the weapon to my friend castriot who throws it in the dumpster befor Vit can take it back. Now this kid is bleeding Preeety bad and had bits of his skin mixed with his blood on the ground and, Vit runs off into the school then leaves. Now after this happend A DUMB C*** says DONT SNITCH GUYS DONT SNITCH that pisses me off.... I watched a freaking stabbing and im supposed to keep my mouth shut and protect the Assailint and not the Victem?! WHAT THE F%@^# is wrong with teenagers these days?!

Why is it they can no longer settle grievences with thier fists and have to use weapons then on top of it NOT HELP THE VICTEM!? I Gave the police a statement on what happend, who it was, what i saw, and what happend leading up to the stabbing. Am i considerd a Snitch for standing Up for the victem?! If i am then what kind of society do we live in these DARK days.

I followed up with people to find out what happend to my friend Vit, and he is getting charged with Assult with a weapon he is only 17 and has done this once befor... I know some here are cops and i would like to know what charges and time will he be doing IF any.

What do you people think?!

here is a link To the article.
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Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 11:33:09
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For 1, well done for talking to the police, but yes, you will be viewed as a snitch.

The only consoliation is you did the right thing, and you know you did was right. Stabbed in the temple... missed that bit, change my vote to Attempted Murder.

What happened to just punching the b*****d in the face and leaving it at that. I found it always worked for me.
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 11:41:57
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*sigh*

Ever think about NOT egging others on to fight? Might have diffused the situation a wee bit! Obviously as we all know this happens often enough and it could happen anywhere. You and your friends should have tried to diffuse the situation. Instead you advised him to go fight (I know you didn't mean shank), but obviously this friend of yours came prepared with a sharpened metal item to do what he did. This was just a bad situation that got worse.

People lack the ability to walk away. I guess your friend had something to prove. Too bad it's going to cost him. He's lucky that his victim didn't sustain futher injuries warranting heavier charges.

If it was up to me...since he's done this before, I would think that he should be tried as an adult and up the charges to "attempted murder". He knowingly brought a weapon to school for that reason. Of course it didn't help the situation once he was given "advice" and the crowd cheered on.

This person needs some heavy duty counceling also along with jail time. Anger management is a good start.

I think you did the right thing by talking to the police. Your friend was wrong...very wrong and he hurt someone. It shows that at least you know the difference between right and wrong. Next time try diffusing a situation rather than supporting it. If you get enough people that can help calm and diffuse a situation then maybe things won't get that far.
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 12:33:34
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Firstly and of course this is just my opinion, you are just as bad for perpetuating the situation, if what you have said above to be correct which knowing teenagers it probably is, you should also feel some what responsable for what took place.

Secondly, making a "poll" out of this is ridiculous, it hardly compares to "what skin is best for CSS?" and just looks like you're trivializing what could have been a potentially lethal encounter between a bunch of idiotic teenagers who watch far to much MTV, listen to too much rap music and think that they need to prove a point because someone talks s**t or looks at them funny.

Just incase you haven't realised, this whole teenage gangland hoody wearing knife wielding subculture thing really annoys me, and I think is a sad reflection on society, not just in the US or Canada, but here in the UK, and no doubt in plenty of other countries also.

Rant over, well almost...

Now having read the link you provided, that kind of puts things into a little more perspective, being treated for "minor scratches to the victim’s stomach and head" is a whole lot different from being stabbed in the chest and head. But that doesn't really make it any better, maybe your friend thought that by almost stabbing him would make him look like the hard man not to mess with, or maybe a way of making the other guy not want to retaliate, who knows, but what happens next time your friend fights and he has a real knife?

Personally, I think anyone who has the potential to take someones life over something so trivial as "talking s**t" should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, and you say this is his second time...

Lock him up and throw away the key.

OK that's definately rant over.
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 13:26:43
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I used to do a fair bit of fighting at school, but pretty much stopped around age 15/16. It used to be that you settled disputes with a one on one fight, no weapons, no kicking someone on the floor and you stopped when someone was hurt or wanted to stop.

As I got older that started to change, it became more about doing damage and it didn't matter how you did it. Other people would join in making it two or more on one and once someone went down they could expect to be kicked or stamped on. Then knives, bottles/glass, baseball bat etc. I've still got a scar on my neck from someone who pulled a knife on me.

Once that kind of stuff starts it self perpetuates until someone gets seriously hurt. Now it seems like people are prepared to do some horrific things for the most minor reasons.

Your friend (and I hope you no longer consider him one) only proved to everyone that he's a coward and a moron. You did the right thing by talking to the police and you made a mistake in encouraging the fight, now you've seen what can happen don't make it again.
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 15:20:29
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Ahhh... the banterus fightes... the bloody noses... those were the days =D
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 15:43:46
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Seroone, I am sorry about your friend, although I am sure he is getting what is coming to him. It doesn't make it easier for you to reconcile. I tend to think that if someone has that inclination to REALLY hurt someone, they ought to be locked away for awhile. You can't have disgruntled employees/spouses/etc who are willing to cross that line because they are obviously excessively dangerous to those people around them.
Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 17:19:38
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I used to do a fair bit of fighting at school, but pretty much stopped around age 15/16. It used to be that you settled disputes with a one on one fight, no weapons, no kicking someone on the floor and you stopped when someone was hurt or wanted to stop.


Those were the days, I remember the old after school challenges and all that. I used to fight like most others, I remember actually fighting the same boy around 4 times but things have certainly changed, media and parenting are to blame I guess.

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Posted: Feb 13, 2009, 17:42:58
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I remember kicking the crap out of someone then going and having a beer with them afterward. They are still my friend to this day. I agree with the other "oldies", I miss the old days.

It is a proven fact that most fights are started by insecure, immature, idiotic males. Males that are confident in themselves don't need that kind of behavior. This is also why you don't hear about good martial artists/MMAs getting in fights very often. (outside of the ring)

The one question I have is what kind of pathetic jerk would think to bring a "shank" with them to school unless they have been beat up or bullied forever?...and why would you want to be friends with such an obvious loser?

You did do the right thing in talking to the police. That is what is wrong with the Muslims....they won't turn in "their own" that choose to be terrorists...and the minorities that won't turn in gang members...ect...
Posted: Feb 14, 2009, 10:01:56
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The charges in the UK For that would be

Attempted murder and AB or GBH


I Don't know what happened to the newer generation of children coming out of the wood work it's terrible, in my college drugs are dealt fights actually happen inside lessons, the college actually had a TV and a few CRT monitors stolen, it's kinda stupid really.. but then again my old school bolted the computers and OHPs on to the tables/ceilings.....

IMO it's definatly attempted murder and you shouldn't cover up for who ever did what ever assault and attempted murder, are you going to cover up for it and live with it? just something to think about there.

The worst part is the dishonorable tactic of bringing a shank to a fight seriously... what has this come to...
Posted: Feb 14, 2009, 11:17:34
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See, I never got into any of that kinda thing at any age! I just couldn't see the point!! I did get egged on to one fight in middle school (pre-12) but that was short lived and I just walked away!

I'm with Rufus and Pwnzer here though...... YOU went and egged him on into a fight that you knew to be pointless and now you're sat there wondering what the hell is wrong with teenagers these days?? How about starting with yourself and your wanting to see your mate get into a punch up???

The mind boggles!! :S
Posted: Feb 14, 2009, 11:34:50
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See, I never got into any of that kinda thing at any age! I just couldn't see the point!! I did get egged on to one fight in middle school (pre-12) but that was short lived and I just walked away!

I'm with Rufus and Pwnzer here though...... YOU went and egged him on into a fight that you knew to be pointless and now you're sat there wondering what the hell is wrong with teenagers these days?? How about starting with yourself and your wanting to see your mate get into a punch up???

The mind boggles!! :S


I for one didn't think of it in that point of view.. kinda makes you think.
Posted: Feb 20, 2009, 11:08:54
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Yes, I talked to Brandon he showed me his hand wich took most of the Knife, It went through part of his hand then it Slightly pierced him, BUT none the less yeh he was stabbed, the one to the skull says scratch but if u stab someone in the head it takes A LOT of force to pierce it so it none the less dragged across i didnt exagurate the incident considering I WAS THIER and that the news reporters got second hand info.

He is pleeding insanity which has got him off on two seperate stabbing altercations, and could very well work again.
First incident was a security guard at a dance second was another student he didnt like..
Posted: Feb 20, 2009, 13:58:28
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Seroone I think you can take this as an opportunity to make some decisions that may affect the rest of YOUR life. Know your friends and know them well. You should at this age be able to distinguish between right and wrong no matter the situation. Obviously your friend has problems. HE needs to cope with that and deal with the consequences of his actions. Please use this as a learning experience and try to keep yourself away from certain situations...nothing good can come out of something like that. Please start to look at your friends and distance yourself from those that could be a bad influence. You don't have to be enemies with them, just distance yourself.

I'm glad this wasn't a deadly incident. Sometimes things happen that you can't control, so don't put yourself in that position.
Posted: Feb 20, 2009, 17:02:47
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On my school there was a fight a couple of days ago, not a little fight either. It was a big fight. My bud Joakim, was a smartass and came with some rude comments to a older boy, and smacked him. Dunno why, but anyways. The next pause the "victim" brings a couple of other dudes to kick the Shi* out of Joakim. So me and 3 other friends backed Joakim up. And then i started beieng a smart ass my self, so the guy jumped ME? My friends backed me up, and we kicked his ass, but what i realized was that the guy wee beat up had many friends with him, but they dident do shi* to help him. But when i was jumped all of my friends helped me, it lasted for a couple of minutes actually. Then a teacher came, and before you know it he lies on the ground bleeding. So all of the guys ran, exept me. I stayed, i checked the teacher i he was okay... Luckely he was. I know who punched him, it was Joakim. But i stood up for my pal, and said it was me. Because i stayed to help the teacher i dident get that muck punishment. I just said that i dident know who i punched. But anyways, you see how fast it can go. First you punch another student, then you beat up a teacher.
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Posted: Jan 12, 2010, 03:35:56
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Well, kids are always taught by their friends to have their ''back'' through thick and thin.
I understand you've witnessed a violent scene and there are pros and cons to ''snitching'' and being a bystander.
To me, I would have been a bystander. Why? Who knows on what the person I've ratted out might be after me or one of his buddies might take his revenge on me. I'm not going to open up my mouth of something I have nothing associated with. But I understand with you being mad and thinking kids are stupid these days... Tell me about it, I've gotta go and sit next to 9th graders complain and whine about their teachers and homework they have.
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Posted: Jan 21, 2010, 06:01:08
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Well, kids are always taught by their friends to have their ''back'' through thick and thin.
I understand you've witnessed a violent scene and there are pros and cons to ''snitching'' and being a bystander.
To me, I would have been a bystander. Why? Who knows on what the person I've ratted out might be after me or one of his buddies might take his revenge on me. I'm not going to open up my mouth of something I have nothing associated with. But I understand with you being mad and thinking kids are stupid these days... Tell me about it, I've gotta go and sit next to 9th graders complain and whine about their teachers and homework they have.



Well, From my prospective, teenagers are narrow minded, Just because they are "tough stuff" that automatically grants them arrogant. back in HS, I've had more then a share of freshmen come up to me and just be complete idiots, Just because i was 130Lb and they can bench press my weight with ease, and that makes them better then me apparently.
To but it down in a nutshell, teenagers are ignorant, Narrow-minded, Pseudo-intellectual, idiots, Their potential lies down-word. Not up. Literally, Cause crime-rate in the states has gone up over the past 30 years. My parents use to tell me about when they were a kid, If you back-talked your parents, Not only did your parent spank your bottem, But you got grounded with no tv, Or any kinda of entertainment, only thing that got you entertained is farm-work. Plus society takes it's toll on the youth, With peer pressure, Trying to fit-in, And other things come into play.
And now if a kid tell their parents to "shut up" They either let it slide, Or smack their mouth and thats the end of it. Heck, Can't take away their video games cause you think your being too strict? Now, I'm not a parent myself, But, if i was a parent, And they said that to me, Heck, Once we get home, smack their butt, Plus lecture them, And there is gonna be No video games, No Television, no toys, no nothing, Only thing your gonna be doing is Homework, then the rest of the day only thing you can do is use your imagination. Cause i would like for them to learn the value of "respect thy mother and thy father" like my parents wanted me to learn, and i would like them to learn that, you may hate me now, But your gonna wish that i was alive and be good to me knowing that tomorrow i may be dead, and that your gonna live with the fact that you can't say your sorry for all the bad things you have done.

But, Back to my "back then" talk, I know that sounds quite harsh considered to todays standers. But heck, If it made kids behave and not give parents grief just because they didn't their vegetables then heck, i don't see why not we should get a *little* bit rougher with kid just until they hit their teen years.

i mean don't get me wrong here, Me and my parents fight over stuff, But in the end i still love them, No matter how strict they are for little thing, like if i don't clean up my room... 5 minutes lalter i hear someone walking up the stairs to my room saying "Why isn't this room cleaned up yet?"
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Re: What is wrong with Kids these days!?!
Posted: Aug 19, 2010, 21:41:03
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Wow.. that is pretty interesting. Well, is the victim okay?
Your friend, although it doesn't seem like you consider him much of a friend and i wouldn't either, obviously has some mental problems.
As far as being let out in a couple years, that makes me scared.
I hope he get at least 25. Key word being "hope"
Only advice i have is to stay away from that friend or any other of your friends that said "the guy stabbed deserved it"
I know its hard not to talk about that kind of drama, but I think it would be better for YOU to just stay out of it in all.
Your friend may be a dummy, but life is full of lessons.
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