the draft

[Ancient-Admin]

They probably wont call you Neo unless their is a major conflict. If their is a major conflict they will call you weather their is a draft or not. If we dont have a strong Military...then we have to play catch up. Right now the whole world is on edge. We are everybodys preferred target. Speak softly but carry a big stick. I just made that up....

[LuciferDMD]

one hell of a qupte right there

[EVILCoRpSe]

my 2 cents. I was never in the military but know many that have been and i must agree with weaver that a mandatory 2 years would do alot for the people in this country much needed good. I worked for some germans a few years ago that said in germany u must serve ur time in the military no matter what somewhere about 2 years. The problem i have is that the more money the more pull you have the less likely ur child will have to do this and in turn be confronted with war if the time arives. Look at our politicans now the ones pulling the hardest for the war are the ones thats kids are exempt or not willing to serve and will never be called even if a draft was enacted. It would be smart for bush to go ahaed and enact the draft whats he have to loose hes on his last term anyways.



I have plenty of un educated wisdome to spread but my observations are what i trust!!!!!!

[red-phoenix]

this is something that really worries. me cause its very possable with the rise of these new nucular powers and the contries backing them.the army is also streached as it is and its really going to depend on wat happens in iran and the upcoming elections

[graphiqdezine]

There cannot be another draft. It was deemed unconstitutional.

I do, however, believe that all youths should be forced to perform two years of government service at their 18th birthdays. This doesn't mean military, but to serve, in some capacity, in the government. Ideally in a field that mirrors their professional interests as well. This would alleviate a lot of government spending as the roles would be filled for much cheaper. It would give the youth a sense of investment in the wellbeing of their country.

There are tons of reasons to do it.

[ShiftyDevil]

The draft talk is just a bunch of nonsense to stir people up.

It's not going to happen. Not in the society we have now.

Also like someone else has pointed out, its not needed.

We don't fight wars a la WWII anymore. We don't need that much personnel.

Originally Posted by graphiqdezine

There cannot be another draft. It was deemed unconstitutional.

I do, however, believe that all youths should be forced to perform two years of government service at their 18th birthdays. This doesn't mean military, but to serve, in some capacity, in the government. Ideally in a field that mirrors their professional interests as well. This would alleviate a lot of government spending as the roles would be filled for much cheaper. It would give the youth a sense of investment in the wellbeing of their country.

There are tons of reasons to do it.

I totally agree

[zelderexman]

My reply is this, IF YOU DONT WANT A DRAFT THEN VOLENTEER!!!!! That is the only reason that we would ever have a draft. America is as unpartriotic as ever. I blame (Its not all their fault but they are a major part of it) the media, if you watch the ABC or CBS or any other news show, they will say stuff like "3 US soldiers were killed in a firefight with Iraqi insurgents in Baghdad today." BUT THEY NEVER TELL YOU HOW MANY INSURGANTS WERE KILLED!!!!! If they gave the whole story (We are killing more insurgents then we are losing US soldiers) then support for the war would be A LOT higher!
If support is higher then volenteers will be higher.

Look at World War 2, (I dont think there was a draft) because to many people VOLENTEERED, hell people lied about their age just to join!! Why? because their was no Television, their were no News reporters telling us that 5 Americans died today, but not telling us how many enemies were killed. If you look at it, you will see public support for wars has been in the crapper ever since the TV. In the 20th Century alone, There was support for WW1, there was support for WW2, there was support for Korea, then the TV came out (well it was already out but it became affortable and now most people had TVs) Then Vietman happened, NO support, then there were the smaller things like Panama, Somalia, Cambodia. (These werent major things) and the First Gulf War, (Moderate support because we came in and whooped their ass, but we left before the job was done and aparently America likes to do that) Then their is the war on terror, NO support! even thought thousands of people were killed, we still dont support it.

BTW, Bush as much as you Blame him and say it's his fault, He got us through one of (if not the) Greatest disaster in American History (I mean Man made, things like Hurricans, and natural disasters are different). And after we were attacked EVERYONE wanted to go to Afganistan, and when Iraq started Most people wanted to go to Iraq, however now that its not going our way, everyone blames everyone else and wants to stop before it is done. (It's like little kids playing a board game like monopoly or something like that, they want to play but as soon as they start to loose they complain and dont want to play anymore.)

[Streetbum]

Though I agree with some of the things you stated about the media dropping volunteer rates, almost the entire third chapter is false.. I must ask you, do you plan on volunteering when you're of age? I am currently leaning towards becoming a MP officer and then joining federal law enforcement later in life.

Even if you do say yes, I am volunteering, think of it this way. I'm a 17 year old kid being told I might be forced to go to a war that I absolutely don't believe in. Well golly gee, maybe I had a life planned out? You cant force people to do something they wont believe in, and frankly our army doesn't need people like that. I know tons of people with that same mentality and I totally support them, even though I have a good chance of doing the opposite and joining up.

Also, the big reason so many people joined up for WW1 and 2 was because it was keeping out nation safe. People wanted to go to Afghanistan because they had just taken a hit at us and we felt unsafe, but people DON'T wanna go to Iraq because they did nothing to threaten us. Don't get the two confused.

Also, also. The Twin Towers compared nothing to pearl harbor, or about 10 other WW2 battles so idk what you mean by that.. It was awful, don't get me wrong, but we had been through much, much worse. I understand that many lived were lost but it compares nothing to some of the other things that have happened. Bush isn't a bad man, hes really, honestly trying to run this country top notch. Its just very difficult and he hasn't been quite up to take. his vision isn't the same as most of the country right now, which ISN'T necessarily a bad thing, but in a time of war we all need to be on the same page. As long as Bush is in office we need to support him about the war effort, but NOT NOT NOT NOT about things that he has done recently that are absolutely unconstitutional... but we have the Supreme Court to fix that when the time comes.

[zelderexman]

Ok, Everybody listen up! Pearl Harbor was an accident! The japanese did not intent to do what they did, a decaration of war was suppost to be sent to the white house but it showed up about an hour after the attack. (The attack was suppost to happen 1 hour after the decaration was delivered)

Also that was an attack on a Military installation, and not civilians, and you cant count battles, 9-11 was not a battle.

[Streetbum]

Please for the love of god don't mock Pearl Harbor. Show some documentation, or ANY type of proof that that is true.

How can you possibly say you cant count battles, this isn't some childish game. American lives are American lives. Are you trying to say that FDR had it easier dealing with the aftermath of Pearl Harbor just because it was a military loss? No, thats idiotic. A death is a death, weather you have a gun in your hand or a briefcase. Saying otherwise is just plain disrespectful.

[Greenblaster]

So you're saying that if the attack had occurred after the declaration of war arrived at the White House, the attack would not have been an accident?

Ah.

[zelderexman]

The attack was suppost to happen after the decaration was delivered, but because it wasn't delivered on time the attack happened before the decaration of war. (Not suppost to happen and a violation of the geneva convention)

Proof of this, WATCH ANY SHOW ABOUT PEARL HARBOR ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL, or if you prefer watch TORA, TORA, TORA! (I wans't moking it, I was using it as an example)

You cant force people to do something they wont believe in

Then guess what you dont get to believe in your "Rights" or your "Freedom" thats the problem with this country, everyone wants their rights and freedoms, but won't fight for them. And when you look at the past and the death counts and everything, now is the best time to join the military, we have used less men in Iraq then just about any other war, but they also have less people being killed than ever before. Again, the liberal media doesn't like the war, so they are going to make it look as bad as they can, if you look at the numbers of Americans killed VS. Insurgents killed (These are confirmed kills, where they have an actual body, the insurgents usually take their dead with them) then its easy to see, We are kicking ass!

And the thing with Pearl Harbor, I used it becuase it is the best example in recent times. Also I blame Clinton for 9-11, Osama bombed the trade centers in 1993 (his bombs went powerful enough to bring them down so he came back with a plane) and Clinton did nothing at all. We could have stopped it then.

and no I didn't say that FDR had an easier time because it was a military loss, I am saying that people volenteered, they rallied around their leader, not like todays "Americans"

And Street I was correct when I said people wanted to go to Iraq, There was huge support, and if people didn't support it then guess what you should have said something! Thats what pisses me off, no one uses their rights, but when they are "violated" or removed for the common good, they get their panties up in a bunch and complain about it, then when they get them back they dont use them!

How can you possibly say you cant count battles, this isn't some childish game. American lives are American lives.

Now you are twisting words, you are missing the concept of "battle" A battle is a "hostile encounter or engagement between opposing military forces", 9-11 was not such, so when I say you cant include those, I mean the events and circumstances are different.

Also a look at the death tolls-

Pearl Harbor - 2,403 Military Personel
9-11 - 2,997 (Mostly Civilians)

While I never said Pearl Harbor was not a tragety, or that it made it easier for FDR or anything even remotely close to that. (I said that people rallied around it and fought back)

[Fury]

So basically, if we don't support the war, you don't think we deserve to live? Sure there are less people dieing in Iraq because THERE ARE LESS PEOPLE DEPLOYED IN IRAQ! The battle plan for this war should have been send about 3 times the troops that went over there in the first place, and we should of evicted Saddam and gotten out. They are fighting a civil war, that we cannot win. We are just there to protect the USA's oil interests in that area.

Additionally, I love you Zelder, but please at least look at what you post before you post it because about 90% of what you've said is either incorrect or just plain illogical.

[Streetbum]

For the love of god... I ask for proof and you give me a Hollywood movie? Japan never declared war on America, it was the other way around. I know this because firstly, there is documentation of us declaring war, and secondly, Hitler didn't declare war on us until we officially declared it on Japan. Now, Hitler had a pact with all Axis powers saying if they were attacked by a hostile country then that country was automatically under war by the other Axis powers. If Japan was planning to declare full out war on the United States then Hitler would have been involved long before Pearl Harbor.

As for your second paragraph... wow. This war has nothing to do with our rights and freedoms. I support this war as of now. I didn't support us going in, but now I support us staying. It is too late to pull out now, so we all need to support our troops. What you're saying in a summary is that if you don't support the war, you don't deserve to live in the country? This whole country was based on that not being true. I agree that we are slowly winning this war, but its being fought by more than bullets, words are 99% of the fighting there, but that doesn't mean people should be forced to go..

The 1993 bombings were not caused by Osama, there was only one Al-Qaeda member directly involved, and he financed some of it. The rest were all Islamic fundamentalists who plotted and carried it out. Golly gee, look at this, actual source: World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FDR was a leader indeed, unlike Bush. George Dubyah is looking out for his interests, not the nation as a whole. A majority of this nation are liberal, and he tries to pass bills outlawing gay marriage and abortion.. thats not a leader. You shouldnt act like the majority of people are not patriotic for not supporting him, he is radical on many issues, that is difficult to support.

"And Street I was correct when I said people wanted to go to Iraq, There was huge support, and if people didn't support it then guess what you should have said something! Thats what pisses me off, no one uses their rights, but when they are "violated" or removed for the common good, they get their panties up in a bunch and complain about it, then when they get them back they dont use them!" That was plain stupid. Sure there was support, but not enough to say HUGE support. We all use our rights everyday, my friend. Voting, newspapers, the news on TV, all of it. There is no such thing as removing rights for the common good, Mr. Stalin. Rights are the common good, and you shouldnt question other peoples patriotism if you think that removing peoples rights is American. It violates the constitution and there is nothing more American than the Constitution.

Everything is the same man, this isn't some game where you can say "thats cheating". People dying is people dying, saying that bush made things ok when a bunch of people died is no reason to support his bills. Lastly, please quote the monetary loss of the two. The planes and aircraft lost all had to be rebuilt, which cost TONS of money, and delayed the war effort...

[Fury]

There is no such thing as removing rights for the common good, Mr. Stalin. Rights are the common good, and you shouldnt question other peoples patriotism if you think that removing peo