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Milk is Bad for you!!!!
Posted: Jan 5, 2012, 20:57:37
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My friend in Facebook is telling everyone that milk is officially bad for you. He claims that it depletes your calcium, and it is not made for humans, only calves. Milk increases fracture risks,, and who knows what else it can do! Can anyone confirm that this is true?
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Posted: Jan 6, 2012, 21:34:46
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Quote from tonnytay60 2012-01-05 20:57:37
My friend in Facebook is telling everyone that milk is officially bad for you. He claims that it depletes your calcium, and it is not made for humans, only calves. Milk increases fracture risks,, and who knows what else it can do! Can anyone confirm that this is true?

Drink Raw milk than.
I did a little research a few weeks ago regarding Raw Milk, And apparently It's alot more nutitional for us, It has like 3x the calcium, Amaazing healing Properities, 2x the protein than pasturized milk, It's pure organic, No genetic Tweaking.

And before Anyone tells me that it has bacteria that can kill you, I've personally tried a half-gallon raw milk and drank in like a week and i'm still alive and well.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2012, 19:31:11
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I hate to be a negative Nelly, Brad, but bacterial growth can take weeks, even years and, even then, symptoms may or may not present themselves.

So, you could get your calcium elsewhere or risk bacterial growth inside your body, worms, and other parasites...
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Posted: Jan 8, 2012, 01:25:05
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I hate to be a negative Nelly, Brad, but bacterial growth can take weeks, even years and, even then, symptoms may or may not present themselves.

So, you could get your calcium elsewhere or risk bacterial growth inside your body, worms, and other parasites...
Most bacterial in milk are harmless, even unpaterzied.
In the worst case Sceanario Tyler, is that you goto the Hostpital and get a injection of piniciliin (if i spelt that right) to help fight off the bacteria or some other Anti-biotic on the market

EDIT: I really dislike this quote system on the forums.
Last Edited: Jan 8, 2012, 01:28:03
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Posted: Jan 8, 2012, 12:54:25
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This has recently come up from a movie I watched on Netflix;


http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Forks_Over_Knives/70185045?trkid=438403


The claim is that milk leads to bone deficiencies not prevent them. After doing some looking I found this claim to be false. I think the best source I have found is this ;


http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/07/31/one-year-later-the-china-study-revisited-and-re-bashed/


This site pretty much destroys the films theory IMO.

As far as the Raw milk goes I have to say I consume it on a regular basis. I have a two group professional espresso machine in my kitchen and have been a barista for years. Raw milk is so delicioous because the milk has not been heated for pasturization. This leaves a lot more of the sugars in milk present when making a latte.

I think that the risk from raw products would be great in a standard commercial dairy operation, but I trust a small family farm to give me raw milk and cheese. Living in the U.S. great northwest there are a lot of choices for raw products.
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Posted: Jan 9, 2012, 02:17:53
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i did not drink milk for a month.
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Posted: Jan 13, 2012, 11:33:24
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whatt???

OUTRAGEOUS! i love milk!!!
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012, 02:08:38
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Milk is Bad for you!!!!
I have drunk milk for many years.But recently i stop drinking it ,because some reports claim that something dangeous have been added into milk.orz.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012, 03:53:29
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What? I don't think so.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012, 04:46:40
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Milk is Bad for you!!!!
I have drunk milk for many years.But recently i stop drinking it ,because some reports claim that something dangeous have been added into milk.orz.
Than i recommend you drink Raw Milk, They haven't done no Genetic tweaking to raw milk, So i wouldn't worry too much about getting sick from that stuff.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2012, 22:47:40
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I don't think that's a fair assumption, Xem. To say that you can't get sick from drinking raw milk is just plain wrong. You're exposed to a whole new category of potential harm when consuming only raw milk (it's not processed and, thus, not screened for these things).

So there's a trade off. You can drink what the producers think you need (as said above, 'orz' or other stuffs :P), or you can take the negative health risk.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012, 03:57:03
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I don't think that's a fair assumption, Xem. To say that you can't get sick from drinking raw milk is just plain wrong. You're exposed to a whole new category of potential harm when consuming only raw milk (it's not processed and, thus, not screened for these things).

So there's a trade off. You can drink what the producers think you need (as said above, 'orz' or other stuffs :P), or you can take the negative health risk.

i disagree Tul, I"m give a bit of a history lesson here. remember during the turburculosis panidemic during the 1930's i believe. In switerland at the time they were drinking raw milk like clock-works, and no one one had acquired turburculosis, which allgedly is one of a few things you can catch drinking raw milk due to the bacteria in raw milk.

I'm not putting off of being a dick here Tul, But i want you to read a book, It's call "nutrition and physical degeneration" by Weston Price, He travel around the world during the 1920 - 1930 going to india, Switerland, Africa and a few other places and found food that would be "dangerous" to eat that was infact very nutitional and very safe to eat and drink.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012, 17:16:13
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Ah, a common misconception; chance, or statistical improbability does not equate to fact - if I flip a coin 100 times and it never lands on "heads," that's not to say that the next throw is guaranteed to be "tails." Thus, there's two things I see to be potentially incorrect about your comment: first, there is a chance that, in Switzerland, there was not a single "tainted" raw milk product (however, that's not to say that raw milk is always pure and safe), and second, there's also a chance that there are just no records of a TS case with connections to raw milk. If you also recall, 1930's record keeping was far inferior to that of today's; that is, there's a high chance that, even if someone had come down with TS, the record has been a) forgotten, b) lost, c) destroyed in either WWI or WWII or d) simply not recorded.

This claim, "Milk is bad for you," is simply a smear campaign, I believe, by raw milk producers. Different producers will make their product unique from other products, and it's therefore unfair to claim that "milk is bad for you," as one brand may be so, but that doesn't mean all milk is bad for you. But that's not what we're arguing about, here - the issue here is raw milk vs. pastuerized milk.

I'm not saying that all raw milk is bad for you and I'm not saying that all pastuerized milk is good for you. Say, if you drink enough water, or touch enough plastic, both generally harmless materials/substances, you're bound to come down with something. The FDA actually permits a certain level of harmful chemicals (byproducts of a generally control-happy society) within its products, and they'll even allow up to a certain number of, for example, fly larva in milk. They operate on a calculated risk agenda as producing a perfect product every time would cost taxpayers (and the company) more money than the product is worth.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012, 17:33:55
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To back up my case, I'll direct you to here.

If both the CDC and the FDA are warning people about the dangers of drinking unpasteurized milk, I think there's something to it. However, please not that the number of illnesses and deaths relating to raw milk, over the course of nearly 13 years, is very small. So, what I'm saying is there is a direct risk, albeit small, when drinking raw milk.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012, 10:07:55
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the "scientific community" always does things like this. They come out with some "new study" that says something is now bad for you and people freak out. I don't drink raw milk personally because the risks are too great....mostly dealing with the way the company that packages it and how they are not always "above board". Some of the conditions in those factories are really bad. I do drink milk every day. We drink 1% at our house and I am as healthy as a horse and built like a tank. My kids are healthy. My parents are healthy and in their 70's. We all drink milk. EVERYTHING you can buy in a store has something that is probably "bad for you" in it. Even "organic" items.....who does the integrity check on those? Is EVERY step from field to shelf verified? The very air is bad for you if you live in a city....so is the water. These "scientists" need to quit running around like chicken little every time they do a small focus group study and saying "The sky is falling!!". No one pays attention anymore because we are tired of them crying wolf every other week to stay in the news....or get into the news.

I always take these "new findings" with a grain of salt. Most of the time they are just people that need attention saying this stuff. They way they sensationalize it, you would think everything is as big as when they figured out working with asbestos causes cancer.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012, 13:02:34
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I wouldn't blame the scientists, though there are some that will try to make more of a study that it merits. Usually because they have a vested interest or the people paying for the research do.

Studies on painkillers are a good example, each tests their own painkiller when compared to others and in each study their own painkiller comes out best, so all painkillers are better than all the other ones. That obviously doesn't make any sense but if you set up your study in the right way then it's easy to achieve, like giving people a lower dose of the other drugs and more of the one you are supposed to be testing. Funnily enough studies done by drug companies on their own products are almost always more positive than independent studies.

This is why it's important that studies are published and peer reviewed before people take their conclusions as fact. It's also good to know who is paying for the study.

The main problem in these scare stories is the way they are reported in the media. Sometimes it's just down to scientific ignorance of a journalist but usually it's just because a sensational headline is much more appealing to readers than what studies actually show. This is a good example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2053486/cannabis-joint-cause-psychiatric-episodes-similar-schizophrenia-damaging-memory.html

The initial headline was "Just ONE cannabis joint "can bring on schizophrenia" as well as damage memory". Note phrases like "Strongest evidence yet, claim scientists". Actually the study wasn't about cannabis, smoking or schizophrenia and the lead author of the study said he was "disappointed but not surprised" by the article.

Antioxidants is another interesting example. You've probably seen various adverts for food boasting about how their products are high in antioxidants and they used to say that antioxidants prevent cancer. It was found that antioxidants in the body do play a role in preventing cancer, so the reasoning was that eating lots of them would help prevent cancer. The problem was that the only long term study into the health benefits of a diet high in antioxidants had to be stopped, because it turned out that that the people in the study were getting cancer more often than they should. But products still use antioxidants as a marketing tool.

So I think I'll keep drinking milk until I see some proper evidence.
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012, 15:17:25
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Edit: derp, I can't read.

Phil, I disagree. I will always blame the media first, as they are the disseminators of scientific, or general knowledge, for the most part.

They're required to capture the reader with a broad, interesting title, and that usually involves bending some facts. A good example was when scientists "discovered" an FTL neutrino. In the documents attached to the findings, the scientists warned that the findings have the potential to be erroneous, even inviting other groups to analyze their findings. However, the media overlooked these items and instead sensationalized the story.

Good scientists (that is, they don't have a corporation's hand in their pockets/aren't corporate puppets) will always take their findings with a grain of salt. When they release their findings, it's the media who will blow things out of proportion.
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Posted: Feb 25, 2012, 07:27:49
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To back up my case, I'll direct you to here.

If both the CDC and the FDA are warning people about the dangers of drinking unpasteurized milk, I think there's something to it. However, please not that the number of illnesses and deaths relating to raw milk, over the course of nearly 13 years, is very small. So, what I'm saying is there is a direct risk, albeit small, when drinking raw milk.

I personally don't trust the FDA or CDC, I kinda forsee them as the Dental association and the pharmaceutical industry, "do X twice a day, you'll be fine, But if you don't take it twice a day you're "preventable" problem will have to result in a surgical removal of X"

I'm sure they have good intendions, call me naive But i don't trust them and their finding to be accurate.
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012, 00:47:10
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You know, most dentists/doctors know what they're talking about when they say "do y twice daily and you'll be fine." It's the idiots who don't follow their directions, lose their "x" (as you say) and then have the audacity to claim that the system is at fault that taint the association's image. It's called insurance fraud, not false information. The FDA and the CDC exist to help people, I'm not sure why they would ever falsify information.

Yes, it's quite impossible for a company to be perfect (money is everything), but I seriously doubt that this is a case where milk producers are paying off the CDC or FDA to publish false findings.
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Posted: Feb 26, 2012, 11:09:14
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You know, most dentists/doctors know what they're talking about when they say "do y twice daily and you'll be fine." It's the idiots who don't follow their directions, lose their "x" (as you say) and then have the audacity to claim that the system is at fault that taint the association's image. It's called insurance fraud, not false information. The FDA and the CDC exist to help people, I'm not sure why they would ever falsify information.

Yes, it's quite impossible for a company to be perfect (money is everything), but I seriously doubt that this is a case where milk producers are paying off the CDC or FDA to publish false findings.

Their are alot of correpted people out there, and not those from wall-street where number's mean everything, But i'll leave that for another day.
i have come across scientific research about the of raw milk (just need to find the link again), I'm sure it's not gonna change many peoples opinion over Raw v paturized milk, But still worth noting on nutirional value.

Again i'm sure some people who work for these organizations mean well, But i'm sure it dwarfs the number over those who don't.
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