tonnytay60
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SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 19, 2011, 21:10:13
The Congress of ******* piece of candy ass ****, voted on the Stop Online Piracy Act is a bill that was introduced in the United States house of retards. This bill would allow the U.S Department of Just shove it up your ***, as well as copyright holders, to seek out court orders agaisnt websites accused of copyright. Examples, youtube, goggle, Facebook, anything that deals with internet.
(Excuse my language, but I am pretty pissed.) This bill is pretty stupid as an interference with the first Amendment: Freedom of Speech. Anyone agree or disagree with this, feel free to post. I just have to know if there is a high chance of this bill to pass. Last Edited: Dec 19, 2011, 23:22:53
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Tullsy
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 19, 2011, 23:23:56
Edited for language.
SOPA is necessary, but it needs some serious work and cannot be passed in its current state.
Edit: I think you missed that the verdict has been delayed until the new year (although there's a rumor that it's just a public facade and the real deal's supposed to go down before the new year). Last Edited: Dec 19, 2011, 23:25:51
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shift944
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 20, 2011, 10:14:52
Sorry Tullsy, but I stongly disagree with this legislature, as well as a lot of what has been emerging from Congress lately. SOPA, along with Protect IP, absolutely trashes our Bill of Rights, and essentially gives Hollywood corporations the power of law enforcement. It allows your government to permanently shut down any website it suspects guilty of infringement, foreign and domestic, without ever letting the domain have a fair trial or even traditional hearing. The Department of Justice does not even require a single shred of criminal evidence. Essentially what the bill does is continue to strip you of your right to fair and speedy trial, your right to protection from illegal search and seizure, and eliminates any due process whatsoever.
The bill also allows big Hollywood corporations like Paramount, Time Warner, NBC Universal, and Rupert Murdoch's media complex to force search engines, sponsers, and advertising companies to stop doing business with these so called "illegitimate websites". If the sponser refused to pull their buisness, the Hollywood corporations can haul them off to court. Or say if they asked Google to block the website in search results, and Google refused, it's off to court. The chances the defendant wins would be next to nothing.
We have trials in this country for a reason, because no government can ever be trusted with absolute power. The past goes to prove that, even when in 2010 ICE shut down several legitimate actor/artist promotion websites, and now SOPA and Protect IP are very much starting to mimic the way China operates it's own internet, where our lawmakers are literally quoting Chinese methods of censorship in their promotion of these bills. The internet has been an enourmous tool for us to use in understanding what is really going on in this world, and even considering giving corporate America the means to censor it all and promote only their own agendas is very disturbing.
Some of those opposed to this bill are JP Morgan Chase, Google, AOL, Twitter, eBay, and Yahoo (who has even withdrawn from the Chamber of Commerce based on the matter.)
Those supporting it include Fox Pictures, Pfizer, News Corp, NBC Universal, Netflix, The Writers Guild, and Motion Picture Association.
So draw your own conclusions. I see it as more unconstitutional, globalist legislature designed to give more power to corporations and government, and strip you and I of our rights. I don't see why the U.S. continues to infringe on other countries, not only in military force, but now on illegal censorship practice. No corporation should be given such power, and they should not be allowed to lobby and flood Congress with money to pass these bills. In addition to NDAA 1031, the laws being passed through Congress lately have been outright unconstitutional, and what is even more disgusting is there is hardly any media coverage on either of these bills.
I do not believe SOPA has been passed yet, as it has recieved an overhwelming amount of opposition. I believe the hearings are to continue later this week. |
XTR3M3
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 20, 2011, 10:45:16
I wouldn't mind a form of this to go through, but it would have to have the same checks and balances as the justice system....almost to the point the criminal justice system does where initially the criminals have all the rights until they are proven guilty. The sites get to stay up until the theft is proven and then they only have to take the stolen content down, not their whole site. Taking youtube down due to some chumps posting copy written material wouldn't make sense. Fines can be instituted based on culpibility and intent. Theft on the internet is RAMPANT and countries like Russia and China allow it and sometimes encourage it. Get some of your intellectual property stolen and taken credit for like I have with some of my mods and people might be more open to that kind of legislation like I am. Youtube has multiple places to watch movies you would normally have to pay for. That is stealing as well.
While the last thing I want is the big media guys to have more money and power like the big oil schmucks do, I see their point about being grumpy people are stealing their stuff. I would like to see a happy medium where theft on the net can be policed from chumps that steal without violating our rights to do it. Last Edited: Dec 20, 2011, 10:48:02
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Xemnas
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 20, 2011, 11:27:00
Quote: Sorry Tullsy, but I stongly disagree with this legislature, as well as a lot of what has been emerging from Congress lately. SOPA, along with Protect IP, absolutely trashes our Bill of Rights, and essentially gives Hollywood corporations the power of law enforcement. It allows your government to permanently shut down any website it suspects guilty of infringement, foreign and domestic, without ever letting the domain have a fair trial or even traditional hearing. The Department of Justice does not even require a single shred of criminal evidence. Essentially what the bill does is continue to strip you of your right to fair and speedy trial, your right to protection from illegal search and seizure, and eliminates any due process whatsoever.
The bill also allows big Hollywood corporations like Paramount, Time Warner, NBC Universal, and Rupert Murdoch's media complex to force search engines, sponsers, and advertising companies to stop doing business with these so called "illegitimate websites". If the sponser refused to pull their buisness, the Hollywood corporations can haul them off to court. Or say if they asked Google to block the website in search results, and Google refused, it's off to court. The chances the defendant wins would be next to nothing.
We have trials in this country for a reason, because no government can ever be trusted with absolute power. The past goes to prove that, even when in 2010 ICE shut down several legitimate actor/artist promotion websites, and now SOPA and Protect IP are very much starting to mimic the way China operates it's own internet, where our lawmakers are literally quoting Chinese methods of censorship in their promotion of these bills. The internet has been an enourmous tool for us to use in understanding what is really going on in this world, and even considering giving corporate America the means to censor it all and promote only their own agendas is very disturbing.
Some of those opposed to this bill are JP Morgan Chase, Google, AOL, Twitter, eBay, and Yahoo (who has even withdrawn from the Chamber of Commerce based on the matter.)
Those supporting it include Fox Pictures, Pfizer, News Corp, NBC Universal, Netflix, The Writers Guild, and Motion Picture Association.
So draw your own conclusions. I see it as more unconstitutional, globalist legislature designed to give more power to corporations and government, and strip you and I of our rights. I don't see why the U.S. continues to infringe on other countries, not only in military force, but now on illegal censorship practice. No corporation should be given such power, and they should not be allowed to lobby and flood Congress with money to pass these bills. In addition to NDAA 1031, the laws being passed through Congress lately have been outright unconstitutional, and what is even more disgusting is there is hardly any media coverage on either of these bills.
I do not believe SOPA has been passed yet, as it has recieved an overhwelming amount of opposition. I believe the hearings are to continue later this week.
I Agree with you Shift, This SOPA bill is very Rediculous, If anything ISP should blacklist websites like ATT did 2 years ago with 4-chan (http://gigaom.com/2009/07/27/att-4chan-blocked-over-ddos-not-content/) But with like Pirating Websites, Like The Pirate Bay, Wearz ag, and such.
My Entire grib with SOPA and PIPA is that it tarnishes our bill of rights, and slaps our founding fathers in the face. Where is the Freedom in this bill? And like you said Shift, some Major Corporations don't need any more power or Money than what they have already. Pure greed.
And don't get me started on NDAA after i heard about that, I threw an epic $hit storm over it.
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Tullsy
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 20, 2011, 20:43:43
I don't think you guys are understanding my post. SOPA is necessary to protect both future buyers and current sellers. In its current state, however, it is far to easy to exploit and needs to be worked on (the House is currently voting on amendments to the bill). I'm firmly against PIPA, however. There is no good rational for that bill. |
tonnytay60
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 21, 2011, 07:37:05
Quote from Tullsy 2011-12-20 20:43:43I don't think you guys are understanding my post. SOPA is necessary to protect both future buyers and current sellers. In its current state, however, it is far to easy to exploit and needs to be worked on (the House is currently voting on amendments to the bill). I'm firmly against PIPA, however. There is no good rational for that bill. Yes, but think about the results if this bill is passed. There will be protests, riots probably, everyone go crazy and haywire, do we really want people getting pissed at this Bill? The Congress are making a bad decision about voting this, BUT their idea is great, they need another bill that fits both people wanting the internet and people being okay with this bill being passed. Think about the teenagers, heck I am a teenager myself and me and my friends strongly disagree with this bill.
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shift944
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 21, 2011, 10:54:59
I still don't think anybody, at least those that are affected within this country, should be declined their Constitutional rights. I also think it is very dangerous to use these powers outside of America, without the consultation of the nations and their citizens. Anything that sacrifices our rights in the name of "security" is absolute bull$h1t.
Again, the corporations have profit in mind, and the government has oppression in mind. Everybody continues to buy into this kind of law because they think it is necessary to combat terrorism and crime. It is bills and policies like this that CAUSE crime and terrorism. Until these bills start guaranteeing due process and Rule of Law, I will oppose them to the very end.
Xemnas, I'll be bringing up NDAA sooner or later. That's a whole nother reason to lose sleep at night, but people need to know what is really going on and how unbelieveable it is that 1031 hasn't been headline news for the last two weeks. |
tonnytay60
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 21, 2011, 16:09:40
Oh my, if we have banned websites, and I said IF, will other countries still have access to that website? Will this affect other countries? |
Xemnas
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 22, 2011, 09:30:19
Quote from tonnytay60 2011-12-21 16:09:40Oh my, if we have banned websites, and I said IF, will other countries still have access to that website? Will this affect other countries? If it's server is located in America, Yeah.
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Tullsy
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 22, 2011, 15:50:30
I believe the way the bill is written now, it doesn't matter what country the server is located. SOPA also gives DMCA, RMAA, UMG, etc, the right to order search engines to remove results from queries, or just block entire websites. Also, I believe it gives the right for ISPs to block webpages based on the above companies' recommendations. So, for example, The Pirate Bay, whose content is hosted in a country in which torrenting is legal, can be blocked from Google search results (by order of media companies) or blocked from public use by ISPs.
The only good thing about this is we're reaching the end of the generation who grew up before the advent of the internet and computers. My generation is a lot more tolerant and understanding about issues like this, in my opinion. |
cpnichol
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Re: SOPA Stop Online Piracy Act
Posted: Dec 23, 2011, 08:30:39
It's a terrible bill that will be open to wide spread misuse, won't do what it sets out to do, will have consequences that go well beyond its intended targets and places unreasonable demands on websites, search engines and ISPs.
I don't think many people would object to the idea of blocking websites that clearly offer other people's copyrighted material without permission, fake medicine or counterfeit goods. But the reality is that it's very difficult to do, otherwise it would have been done already.
It essentially shifts liability for distributing copyrighted material to anyone or anything that "aid" that process. Now that wouldn't really be an issue for websites and services that have absolute control over content, but it will be for anything that allows users to add content (image/file hosting, forums, comments, video/image sharing, blogs etc) or automated processes that cannot automatically filter out certain content.
As things stand the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) protects websites and internet companies that act in "good faith" to remove content that infringes copyright. So on Spawnpoint we voluntarily delete such posts and will remove content if asked by the copyright holder. SOPA does not and simply requires someone to say the have a "reasonable" belief that a site or part of a site enables copyright infringement and get them removed from search results, advertising removed, payment methods blocked and blocked by ISPs.
DMCA is already open to abuse with people claiming content infringes copyright when in fact it does not, they simply hope the people running the website do not have the legal knowledge or resources to fight the claim. So you get people like Uri Gellar (the spoon botherer) serving DMCA notices to get videos of him looking stupid on a 1973 talk show removed, he wasn't the copyright holder, he just didn't like the content.
Most legitimate sites and services like to comply with the law before it even gets to to a warning, but think about what that would mean under SOPA. Take Spawnpoint for example, in order to be certain that we complied we'd need to be certain anything on the site was not copyrighted and that nothing linked to anything that could be considered to "aid" copyright infringement. So external links, avatars, images, videos and every post, blog or comment would need to be pre-approved. Websites and services will have a choice to make, do they ensure they comply and ruin the user experience or do they leave themselves open to business crippling consequences?
It's also very easy to get round so will do little to actually stop piracy.
It gives the US the power to financially cripple websites that aren't based in the US and are not breaking any laws where they are based, since most search engines, payment methods and advertising are controlled by the US. I'm not a US citizen and I don't see why the US should be able to censor the internet for me. If this bill passes then I will be finding search engines and payment methods that are not controlled by the US.
It's a really, really terrible bill.
Some further reading for those interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#DMCA
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/killing_the_internet_to_save_hollywood_lSWv0ymGvqWbvn5siAQgsK
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/internet-inventors-warn-against-sopa-and-pipa
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/mythbusters/articles/mythbuster-adam-savage-sopa-could-destroy-the-internet-as-we-know-it-6620300Last Edited: Dec 23, 2011, 08:32:09
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