Evaluation: AWP vs. Scout

[kapow]

here are the basic facts, these threads dont need to exist. something when it comes to personal preference is good for discussion, such as favorite map, but when its which gun is better, its a no contest no brainer one word and closed answer. the best players in the world use awp, and not scout. awp is more expensive, yet they still use it, you say scout takes more skill, yet if the best players in the world are using awps not scouts, what does that say about the scout? there isnt someone whos played for longer and gotten better and uses scout and owns these awpers, because they are the best players, not these bad players who claim to be awesome with a scout and say stuff like "ive killed an awper" so what does that proove? any one could kill near enough anyone in this game due to the fact of some sheer luck sprays or hits, or just random fire against someone who just happens to miss, as even the world greats do. how about we weigh up the pros and cons of these weapons?

awp pros
+ 1 hit kill
+ 1 hit hs through objects
+ tripple kill on headshots
+ 100% accurate when still and scoped
+ can easily take a team down in about 5 seconds

awp cons
- slow to move with
- must stand still to aim
- expensive

scout pros
+ fast
+ can aim fairly accurately while strafing
+ hs through an object
+ quite cheap

scout cons
- relitively weak
- slow firing compared to dammage
- innacurate at long range even when standing still
- low dammage through objects not in the head

now when you factor in the fact that it is very easy to strafe out, stop and shoot with an awp, the fact that you can shoot with a scout while strafing is negligible, especially seeing as it still isnt 100% accurate while moving. how about the fact that you dont really run with your primary weapon anyway, especially snipers, and the fact that its about how fast you move your crosshair not your body, and the best players move their crosshair insanely fast and accurately.

based on all this the awp is the clear victor, we have pro and con weigh up, situation weigh up, and examples of professional players. if anyone else still says scout is the better, then i give up on you people and shall kill a dwarf.

[MethodMan]

each weapon has their own response, power, and yes speed of a bullet plays a minor factor in cs. im not talking about a 10th of a second...im talkin more of the 100th of a second. the scout actually shoots about 100feet further than an AWP in one second. when your talkin about 100ths of a second...that scout bullet is clearing off the top of your shoulders while your bullet would normally be 2 or 3 feet in front of my face(theoretically). now registry is also a big factor in cs. counterstrike registers not bullet travel on the shot(cant kill each other at the same time) but after the fact. the system knowing full well that the faster bullet from the scout will register before your AWP bullet(thus your bullet not taking off the head of mine after i killed you). both weapons take lots of skill, and much of someones life wasted to get these situations, lol.

[kapow]

i told you this before. bullets dont take time to hit people in css, so scout bullets dont hit first. all bullets in css hit instantly. the only thing affecting how quick the person dies after clicking is your ping, other than that whoever clicked first wins, regardless of weapons. there is no speed of bullet, all the weapon stats shown on that page of the buy menu are irrelevant to anything that actually takes place in the game.

[kapow]

oh i went and looked up the weapon stats which is what i assume you are talking about. these are the ones that used to be in the buy menu:

Magnum Sniper Rifle Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum
Clip/Spare: 10/30
Projectile Weight: 16.2 grams
Bullet Speed: 3000 ft/s
Rate of Fire: N/A

Schmidt Scout Caliber: 7.62 NATO
Clip/Spare: 10/90
Projectile Weight: 8 grams
Bullet Speed: 2800 ft/s
Rate of Fire: N/A

so even though you said scout fires faster bullets, it doesn't, and this doesnt play a factor in weapon v weapon.

[MethodMan]

steyr scout actually shoots 2835 f/s and the .338 magnum is not what is used in cs, its the police(which isnt realistic, because the AWP is used for law enfforcement unstead of military, which the Terrorist wouldnt be able to use). but iether way it shoots 2789f/s. and im not even going to bother going back to registry of bullets. but the next time you play, and u happen to play someone with a scout, and for the life of u cant take him down with your awp....dont call him a noob or undermind him in anyway, take it how it is. and for everyone else, the scout takes 5 times the skill of an awp, because u have 1/5th of the body that counts, not considering the fact you can run fast, and shoot will running..because thats not how the scout is used to own the awpers.

[merced1212]

yea on a one on one an awp will without a doubt destroy the scouter. the scout doesnt take very much skill to use either. you can hit some1 while running, jumping, falling, pretty much anything. the awp you have quickswitch which if used right u can kill some1 in close range and you usually cant kill them while runniing. id say the awp is better in my book.

and to the guy above me. a good awper will rape that scouter i hes trying to strafe. even id the scoute hits him one time (body shot) the awp will most likely kill u on ur second try at a shot.

[FluffyBunny]

Hmmm, Both weapons take skill, lets leave it at that lol.

[kapow]

its not about which takes more skill, its about which is a better gun, which is unquestionably the awp.

[merced1212]

i have to agreed^

[ActionJester]

I browsed through this and came to my conclusion.

Use whatever gun you are more effective with and stop with the senseless

[sir-understeer]

Originally Posted by ActionJester

I browsed through this and came to my conclusion.

Use whatever gun you are more effective with and stop with the senseless

Pretty much.

[daconn3xtion]

This reminds me of a discussion I had with my teammates. I told them, you don't just pick up an AWP and suddenly you can no-scope everyone or kill 5 people in 5 seconds surrounding you from long and short A in dust2. It takes getting used to it, getting used to aiming it properly, getting used to the slow run speed, the constant threat of being shot in the face up close, and of course other AWPers . I've seen all kinds of AWPers, theres the no-scoper, the double-scoper, the rushing AWPer, the camping AWPer, the im gonna own you all then gets killed leaves and whines about it later AWPer, etc. With no-scoping being more prevalent more on the older cs and not just up close no-scoping either. Overall AWPing is something to be respected and feared in the hands a skilled player.

Now on to the Scout, something I've noticed from CS versions 1.3 - 1.6 all the way to Source and even Condition Zero. Scout is easy to use, I'm not saying any newb can pick it up and go on a killing spree team rampage. I'm saying that from my experiences with using AWP, Scouting was a slight change of pace. There might be a big change in speed, no-scoping is way easier, and the fire rate is faster but by a just a small difference (not talking about bullet speed ;p) I've had an easy time getting used to it, but it is plagued with the same problems the AWP has. That being it is a sniper rifle, you will always have the constant threat of up close rushers, other Scouters or AWPers ;p, and its low damage and little inaccurate at long range.

To make it short, theres really nothing wrong with which gun you pick, they are both great weapons, even though I might pick/buy the AWP more in games, I always go play scoutnknives when I wanna relax or even practice.

[kapow]

Originally Posted by daconn3xtion

Now on to the Scout, something I've noticed from CS versions 1.3 - 1.6 all the way to Source and even Condition Zero.

OMG NOT CONDITION ZERO THATS THE BEST GAME EVER AND IN NO WAY SIMILAR TO 1.6

[daconn3xtion]

How so? I'm not comparing versions, just how the scout works same game, same coding, I didn't play CZ that much but same guns?. Just different looking maps, models, etc.