The attack was suppost to happen after the decaration was delivered, but because it wasn't delivered on time the attack happened before the decaration of war. (Not suppost to happen and a violation of the geneva convention)
Proof of this, WATCH ANY SHOW ABOUT PEARL HARBOR ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL, or if you prefer watch
TORA, TORA, TORA! (I wans't moking it, I was using it as an example)
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You cant force people to do something they wont believe in
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Then guess what you dont get to believe in your "Rights" or your "Freedom" thats the problem with this country, everyone wants their rights and freedoms, but won't fight for them. And when you look at the past and the death counts and everything, now is the best time to join the military, we have used less men in Iraq then just about any other war, but they also have less people being killed than ever before. Again, the liberal media doesn't like the war, so they are going to make it look as bad as they can, if you look at the numbers of Americans killed VS. Insurgents killed (These are confirmed kills, where they have an actual body, the insurgents usually take their dead with them) then its easy to see, We are kicking ass!
And the thing with Pearl Harbor, I used it becuase it is the best example in recent times. Also I blame Clinton for 9-11, Osama bombed the trade centers in 1993 (his bombs went powerful enough to bring them down so he came back with a plane) and Clinton did nothing at all. We could have stopped it then.
and no I didn't say that FDR had an easier time because it was a military loss, I am saying that people volenteered, they rallied around their leader, not like todays "Americans"
And Street I was correct when I said people wanted to go to Iraq, There was huge support, and if people didn't support it then guess what you should have said something! Thats what pisses me off, no one uses their rights, but when they are "violated" or removed for the common good, they get their panties up in a bunch and complain about it, then when they get them back they dont use them!
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How can you possibly say you cant count battles, this isn't some childish game. American lives are American lives.
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Now you are twisting words, you are missing the concept of "battle" A battle is a "hostile encounter or engagement between opposing military forces", 9-11 was not such, so when I say you cant include those, I mean the events and circumstances are different.
Also a look at the death tolls-
Pearl Harbor - 2,403 Military Personel
9-11 - 2,997 (Mostly Civilians)
While I never said Pearl Harbor was not a tragety, or that it made it easier for FDR or anything even remotely close to that. (I said that people rallied around it and fought back)